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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby eburress » 13 Nov 2022 06:21

^ Austin has set such a low bar in this regard.

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Postby rono3849 » 13 Nov 2022 09:42

eburress wrote:^ Austin has set such a low bar in this regard.


Austin has some unique architecture that's for sure, but it reflects the current trends in architecture. I don't know how well it will age over the coming years. I think Atlanta has a dynamic skyline and it has some unique architecture from the era of that city's boom. Houston's skyline is dynamic with some spectacular buildings with architectural statements.

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Postby R1070 » 13 Nov 2022 14:50

rono3849 wrote:
eburress wrote:^ Austin has set such a low bar in this regard.


Austin has some unique architecture that's for sure, but it reflects the current trends in architecture. I don't know how well it will age over the coming years. I think Atlanta has a dynamic skyline and it has some unique architecture from the era of that city's boom. Houston's skyline is dynamic with some spectacular buildings with architectural statements.

I agree that Atlanta has a nice mix of architecture, but Houston has nice buildings, some boring buildings and some pretty ugly ones too. Dallas' skyline is the easiest on the eyes in Texas.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby NdoorTX » 09 Dec 2022 01:57

Labeled as Harwood 12 on Corgan's site. Likely not going forward, but nice too see the proposal.

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Postby dallaz » 09 Dec 2022 08:11

NdoorTX wrote:Labeled as Harwood 12 on Corgan's site. Likely not going forward, but nice too see the proposal.

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This was suppose to start before Harwood No. 14. But they decided to move forward with No.14 first. Good to finally see renderings. Thanks for posting!

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Postby I45Tex » 09 Dec 2022 09:10

While it has a point of view, its design language doesn't say anything Dallas in my opinion. Reminds me more of something from the Pacific Rim or recent oligarch Mexico City and Moscow.

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Postby eburress » 09 Dec 2022 09:14

I like that! You can see that giant garage we all talked about as well. lol

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Postby Kelley USA » 09 Dec 2022 09:23

So I think I'm counting about 20 levels of parking? I know they're trying to hide it, but still sticks out like a sore thumb. From the website, looks like their partner on the proposed project is Arquitectonica, which is a architecture company based in Miami.

From the Corgan site: Designed to be the tallest building in the Uptown area at 43 stories, this sleek and slender office tower with workspace, retail, and amenity space, offers commanding views in all directions. A 40th floor restaurant and roof garden stuns with unparalleled vistas of downtown

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Postby Tnexster » 09 Dec 2022 10:09

Can you impinge living in the tower next door and your view turns into a parking garage?

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Postby kingkong34 » 09 Dec 2022 10:20

They couldn't even put in the AAC in this rendering. lol

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Postby dd_dweller » 09 Dec 2022 10:47

Don’t hate the tower design but Harwood slaps lipstick on garages and thinks it’s innovative. All of the Harwood district consists of parking podiums, it looks horrible. Welcome to suburbia.

Hopefully there’s a redesign when they start and make this proposal more appealing.

I would hate to live next to a garage and have no view or sunlight.

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Postby Matt777 » 09 Dec 2022 12:19

It's not my favorite cup of tea but it's definitely more interesting and daring than everything else in that area (apart from the small Rolex building which is nice). I'd rather have this than the awful plain glass boxes they've been building in Harwood that look like they could easily be from 2004, or 1994, or 1984, or 1974. This at least feels current.

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Postby vman » 09 Dec 2022 13:14

dd_dweller wrote: All of the Harwood district consists of parking podiums, it looks horrible. Welcome to suburbia.

Suburbia? I work in Legacy West and live in Irving. I can't recall very many, if any, parking podium buildings in Plano/Frisco or Las Colinas...they all seem to be in Dallas. :lol:

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Postby LongonBigD » 09 Dec 2022 17:14

vman wrote:
dd_dweller wrote: All of the Harwood district consists of parking podiums, it looks horrible. Welcome to suburbia.

Suburbia? I work in Legacy West and live in Irving. I can't recall very many, if any, parking podium buildings in Plano/Frisco or Las Colinas...they all seem to be in Dallas. :lol:


Speaking of parking podiums and Legacy West…Liberty Mutual. Just sayin’. Hate them all btw.

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Postby dallaz » 09 Dec 2022 17:58

Matt777 wrote:It's not my favorite cup of tea but it's definitely more interesting and daring than everything else in that area (apart from the small Rolex building which is nice). I'd rather have this than the awful plain glass boxes they've been building in Harwood that look like they could easily be from 2004, or 1994, or 1984, or 1974. This at least feels current.

:lol: :lol:

Hahahaha the accuracy.

It would’ve been better if the parking garage didn’t look like a parking garage.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby rickbansal » 10 Dec 2022 11:37

don't understand the hate for this design.

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Postby Tucy » 10 Dec 2022 11:41

Has anyone heard of any projected opening date?

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Postby I45Tex » 10 Dec 2022 13:17

rickbansal wrote:don't understand the hate for this design.


Does this mean you disagree with those saying the design doesn’t blend the parking well architecturally?

That it puts too much of it aboveground urbanistically and is uninspiring in the local level compared to historic urban neighborhoods’ streets, which are attractive to passersby and a treat to look at? Think Sundance Square, San Antonio, or for a more modern example Rainey Street and East Avenue in downtown Austin, for examples of Harwood and No. 12’s missed opportunity here. The mere reality that I can say San Antonio and you know or even can picture exactly what I mean by the reference is proof that our architects and developers are not getting the job done when it comes to making Dallas’ experience equally distinctive and meaningful to the visitor. People can’t call any particular image to mind other than the opening credits of the DTD TV show skyline when I reference Dallas. The Riverwalk has even been imitated by builders near (The Woodlands and Oklahoma City) and far away. Can’t say as much for Northpark, for instance.

That you disagree with comparing this urban core tower to other real estate developers’ bland suburban boxes?

If so, then I need help to understand your admiration for this design. It still seems phoned in, needlessly so, at least to me.

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Postby I45Tex » 10 Dec 2022 13:36

If OTOH your position is that it doesn’t matter so strongly that anyone should stand around disliking it, like they do — since the other forum posters explained their impressions pretty logically for somebody not to understand them — well
hey; that is less a pragmatic “good enough for now” attitude than it is a disengaged one, I suppose!

But it’s very unlikely to be built, as an investment, IMHO:

Fortune reported, this year, “The office buildings that form the bedrock of big cities could be worth $500 billion less because of work from home” — https://fortune.com/2022/06/09/work-fro ... et-report/

Silver lining: with WFH hybrid becoming acceptable in more white collar career fields, now, do brokers really need 3/1000 parking spaces to market a space anymore?
:)
…if tenants have 50% fewer cubes occupied per 1000 square feet on every given day of the week, then 1/1000 is the new 2/1000, right? Existing garages can double down as new retail and museum parking capacity, and urban projects are future-proofed at a much cheaper level of expense on garage-construction. Corgan please take note when it comes time to nip and tuck this project’s value features.

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Postby rono3849 » 10 Dec 2022 19:03

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I think this is a terrific design & would be a welcome addition to the skyline. I like seeing a 43-story tower North of Woodall Rogers Frwy. I do hope that Harwood will eventually announce it. They are great at getting commitments from companies for leasing new towers that enables them to move forward on projects.
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Postby dallaz » 10 Dec 2022 19:13

rickbansal wrote:don't understand the hate for this design.

It’s most definitely a nice looking building overall...well, to me. I just wish the cladding was uniform on the parking podium to disguise the garage. Based on the renderings, it is partially cladded with glass and what I assume to be some metal grate panels of some sort for air circulation.

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Postby dallaz » 10 Dec 2022 19:19

rono3849 wrote:harwood.14.newest.rendering.jpg

I think this is a terrific design & would be a welcome addition to the skyline. I like seeing a 43-story tower North of Woodall Rogers Frwy. I do hope that Harwood will eventually announce it. They are great at getting commitments from companies for leasing new towers that enables them to move forward on projects.

Right, I’ve wanted this to start since they announced it. Kinda sucks we’re in a period of high inflation and high interest rates. I would love to see this one start. It would definitely add much needed height north of Downtown. Also the new additional high-rises built surrounding this tower (not depicted in the renderings) would look nice visually. Sort of a “signature” tower for the area. The shape is also different as well. I’m tired of boxes.

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Postby I45Tex » 10 Dec 2022 20:32

Yep, tired of boxes. Don't want to be the next Atlanta and stick a tapering spire on every second building, but Dallas and Houston really have more than enough flat crowned boxy old jobs already.

An actual signature again would be welcome, I just don't think that this slick project has the quality of signature which Uptown/Victory is ready for (in addition to its other shortcomings). Maybe Hunt North End will deliver.

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Postby Urbancowboy » 10 Dec 2022 21:51

This building looks great and would certainly enhance our skyline. For those that think this building is ugly, take a good look at yourself in the mirror.

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Postby dallaz » 10 Dec 2022 22:40

I45Tex wrote:Yep, tired of boxes. Don't want to be the next Atlanta and stick a tapering spire on every second building, but Dallas and Houston really have more than enough flat crowned boxy old jobs already.

An actual signature again would be welcome, I just don't think that this slick project has the quality of signature which Uptown/Victory is ready for (in addition to its other shortcomings). Maybe Hunt North End will deliver.


Come to think of it, Dallas doesn’t really have many buildings with crowns or spires. The Renaissance Tower being the only building with a spire/crown.

I agree. But based on what has been built in the area, it’s a step up in terms of design. :lol:

Kinda sad I had to use the word “signature” to describe it tho.

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Postby I45Tex » 11 Dec 2022 01:38

Urbancowboy wrote:This building looks great and would certainly enhance our skyline. For those that think this building is ugly, take a good look at yourself in the mirror.


Poor design does not equal hard on the eyes in a magazine render. Those are two separate failings that can overlap, or not. As for your post: ad hominem much?

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Postby rickbansal » 11 Dec 2022 16:38

I45Tex, I'm not saying this is a "crown jewel" design but I certainly am NOT opposed to it being built as is. Could there be improvements to it? Sure, specially as it relates to the parking structure but the building itself doesn't seem uninspired to me and I don't feel like the design was "phoned" in.

I know (at least hope) that you're not comparing this development to the Riverwalk, so I agree Dallas could use other iconic developments. However, the thing about iconic developments is that they take years/decades to materialize and it's never just 1 feature or building that makes it iconic. The "Riverwalk" was borne over a hundred years ago because of a disastrous calamity and added upon over the decades to make it what it is today. Maybe the continued extensions of Clyde Warren Park will someday become our Riverwalk or maybe the Trinity River development will...ok, I admit the Trinity River development is a push.

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Postby CTroyMathis » 11 Dec 2022 17:25

One thing we all can likely rely on, this is a set of visuals that are dated and aren't happening anyway. Maybe one day Harwood will get their cool sky-balcony thingie on a building. Until then, just hope a 20 story garage doesn't abut practically the full height of The Ascent ~50ft or less away. HDF seems to be in charge of Harwood designs these days anyway, which actually doesn't change garage design . . . Just move along and wonder about the weird lights on the Harwood Hospitality hotel that takes years to open. : )

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Postby rono3849 » 11 Dec 2022 19:33

kingkong34 wrote:They couldn't even put in the AAC in this rendering. lol


Actually, you can see the corner of the AAC.

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Postby Kelley USA » 12 Dec 2022 09:37

Was in the Harwood District this weekend. Some friends and I met for drinks at Harwood Arms, their British Pub concept, and then we walked next door for pizza at Pico Fiasco. The entire area was buzzing. It was absolutely packed! Thankfully we had reservations for Pico, but the wait for a table was an hour long if not. Food was great! After dinner we walked down to Happiest Hour. I know everyone likes to bash on the area not really being walkable, but we quite enjoyed the walk, and there were a number of people walking back and forth between HH and Harwood Arms. After about an hour at HH, we walked back to Harwood Arms and the line was about 50 deep to get in. But really enjoyed our time!

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: The Swexan - Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Semper454 » 15 Dec 2022 15:09

Some confusion in this thread... Most of this page is not relevant to the rest of the thread. Harwood 12 is not the hotel. Harwood 12 is the TBD "tallest building in Uptown" that was supposed to break ground in 2020, but sits untouched, fenced off northeast of CVS.

As for the hotel - official opening of Summer 2023. Glad to see some actual news after this building topped out more than two years ago:

https://www.dmagazine.com/commercial-re ... el-swexan/

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Postby R1070 » 07 Jan 2023 16:44

"Swexan" signage is up and it looks pretty good.

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Postby rono3849 » 27 Jan 2023 20:35

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The Swexan Hotel is nearing completion and the signage is up on the building. The hotel doesn't look like the original hour-glass design, but is one more added tower to the Harwood/Uptown district.
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Finis

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Postby eburress » 28 Jan 2023 15:22

What a godawful building. The only positive in my mind is that it's not visible in the skyline from most directions.

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Postby scott2 » 28 Jan 2023 17:51

Even the signage looks cheap. Such a disappointment. Harwood is now my least favorite developer.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 28 Jan 2023 19:58

BREAKING NEWS: The sovereign nation of Switzerland and the state of Texas have cut all affiliation with "Swexan" related ventures. Sources say: "The shit? We ain't wit it".

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Postby tamtagon » 28 Jan 2023 20:03

What market position will this hotel hold? Is it as fancy as the Ritz and Mansion? Thompson? ZaZa?

When is ZaZa going to expand?

With the Harwood district business hotel opening, maybe Harwood will begin a walkability campaign to connect overnight guests to the nearby offices.

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Postby rono3849 » 28 Jan 2023 20:17

tamtagon wrote:What market position will this hotel hold? Is it as fancy as the Ritz and Mansion? Thompson? ZaZa?

When is ZaZa going to expand?

With the Harwood district business hotel opening, maybe Harwood will begin a walkability campaign to connect overnight guests to the nearby offices.


I'd bet that business travelers will get good rates at this hotel if they are tied to Harwood lease holders like Rolex, etc.

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Postby vman » 30 Jan 2023 07:44

Jeez Louise....that building is awful. They didn't even TRY!!

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Postby MC_ScattCat » 30 Jan 2023 08:42

It's better than a a surface parking lot. That's about all I can say positive wise on this one.

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Postby CTroyMathis » 30 Jan 2023 08:47

I still can't wrap my head around that choice of lighting. I see this every morning pretty close up. I feel like I'm in Christmas Vacation meets Groundhog Day and HAL 3000 has a Speak & Spell voice by Limp Bizkit. They sure have a different take on feng shui in Swexas. Lost a chance to shine in the golden hour with the corner where the signage is.

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Postby Tucy » 30 Jan 2023 10:20

CTroyMathis wrote:I still can't wrap my head around that choice of lighting. I see this every morning pretty close up. I feel like I'm in Christmas Vacation meets Groundhog Day and HAL 3000 has a Speak & Spell voice by Limp Bizkit. They sure have a different take on feng shui in Swexas. Lost a chance to shine in the golden hour with the corner where the signage is.


We kinda knew it was all downhill when we first heard the name they had chosen, didn't we?

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Postby rono3849 » 30 Jan 2023 15:13

eburress wrote:What a godawful building. The only positive in my mind is that it's not visible in the skyline from most directions.


Frankly, this hotel & the new JW Marriott a few blocks away are big disappointments in my book. Why can't these hotels spend a little money on dramatic & distinguishing architecture? Austin & Houston have some very distinguishing hotels architecturally. Atlanta & Miami do as well.

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Postby sterling » 30 Jan 2023 17:13

I think Barbier-Muller has lost his spark. The "parking plynth" is insult enough, but the glass box atop it, could have been built in the 1960's. He's spun gold out of straw much of the time, building sites along high speed roads and low income housing, that no one would touch. Unfortunately, these late additions merely add quantity, and detract from quality. Still prefer him to Hillwood, but that ain't saying much.

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Postby BigD5349 » 30 Jan 2023 18:54

^I never thought of Barbier-Muller as having had a spark which he could then subsequently lose. His company lied to surrounding building residents when he needed zoning changes.Walking through his hodge podge of buildings is about as soulless as it gets.

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Postby mhainli » 30 Jan 2023 21:48

Yes, the “Harwood District” had loads of potential (still does to some degree) with it’s location, location, location and the fact that they controlled most of the properties (Midtown could only be so lucky). Harwood should have set a very high architectural standard for all the buildings and increased the remaining value even more.

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Postby Cbdallas » 03 Feb 2023 11:19

I noticed a couple of nights ago that the LED lights on the building had some kind of diffuser put on them although most but not all had them probably still covering them. They seemed to have a much more finished and subtle look.

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Postby R1070 » 03 Feb 2023 11:25

Yea... I didn't think they were done with the lighting. They are still working on finishing up construction. I don't mind this building much, it's just mindless infill.