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I45Tex wrote:Tulsa has taller buildings than KC, so that's as far as it goes

Tucy wrote:

I45Tex wrote:Tulsa has taller buildings than KC, so that's as far as it goes

Good catch. (And Tulsa has 6 buildings taller than the one proposed here.)

Even if it was true, that was a pretty lame claim to make.

Tucy wrote:

I45Tex wrote:Tulsa has taller buildings than KC, so that's as far as it goes

Good catch. (And Tulsa has 6 buildings taller than the one proposed here.)

Even if it was true, that was a pretty lame claim to make.

OrangeMike wrote:

Tucy wrote:

I45Tex wrote:Tulsa has taller buildings than KC, so that's as far as it goes

Good catch. (And Tulsa has 6 buildings taller than the one proposed here.)

Even if it was true, that was a pretty lame claim to make.

Even more lame because U.S. 75 doesn't pass through Kansas City. It goes through Topeka, about an hour to the west of KC.

CTroyMathis wrote:https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/Project/TABS2023000684
If the application is completely accurate, 56 units in a 20 story building. 90 parking spaces underground. So maybe accurate.

Dmkflyer wrote:The neighborhood from Fitzhugh all the way to where it meets at a point at the Katy Trail and 75 is primed to be full of these uber high end type of places as an answer to an even higher end version of Uptown primed for folks from the Park Cities that are becoming empty nesters or divorcees and others that may love the park cities but not want a single family home that are looking for a good mix dense, urban, high end, walkable things etc. Think 30+ something folks that don't want want to be in Uptown and don't want to be in a house and that as beautiful as Turtle Creek is, is more sleepy and you just drive to everything unless you're literally planning on a walk for relaxation or exercise only.
That doesn't exist in the Park Cities and of all areas surrounding them, this is the only one that is that close into the center of things and has the ability to fill that market. I think we should and will see more things like this and whats come about in the last 3-5 years in there coming for that area, which I believe is or is at becoming referred to as Knox Park. I could easily see this area being something like Highland Park Village but where people live, work, play and stay (hotel).

Just my thoughts

Facility Name:
The Ivy

Location Address:
5025 North Central Expressway
Dallas, TX 25205

Start Date:
3/15/2023

Completion Date:
1/4/2025

Estimated Cost:
$70,000,000

Type of Work:
New Construction

Scope of Work:
The design and construction of core and shell office building, which consists of a new 185,000 GSF square foot office on a 174,000 GSF podium garage.

LongonBigD wrote:This looks something like Weirs Plaza (on steroids).]

I45Tex wrote:Maybe someone needs to pitch a deck park here, so that one day it won't be parking garages lining NCX but more enjoyable ground floor activities.

I45Tex wrote:Maybe someone needs to pitch a deck park here, so that one day it won't be parking garages lining NCX but more enjoyable ground floor activities.

Kelley USA wrote:I'm usually one to never bring up traffic, as I've always thought it's just what you get for living in certain areas... But poor Knox is going to take a beating with all these new developments. It's already congested!

cowboyeagle05 wrote:While I, too, am romantic about HWY 75 being a loose chain of deck parks, I can imagine the cost being well above what just buying some apartment building in an existing neighborhood and just building a park on land already stable for a park. Klyde Warren is nice, but its a commercially successful gimmick, and South Dallas is getting one to help balance the scales in some political minds, but it would be better money spent if we build parks that aren't surrounded by fast-moving highway traffic racing down on and off ramps. Just buy one of the garden-style complexes nearby, which will be increasing in cost quickly, and build a park on land we already have rather than trying to shut down HWY 75 every other year to build another high-profile deck park that maintenance costs will skyrocket once the brand new has worn off.

potatocoins wrote:

cowboyeagle05 wrote:While I, too, am romantic about HWY 75 being a loose chain of deck parks, I can imagine the cost being well above what just buying some apartment building in an existing neighborhood and just building a park on land already stable for a park. Klyde Warren is nice, but its a commercially successful gimmick, and South Dallas is getting one to help balance the scales in some political minds, but it would be better money spent if we build parks that aren't surrounded by fast-moving highway traffic racing down on and off ramps. Just buy one of the garden-style complexes nearby, which will be increasing in cost quickly, and build a park on land we already have rather than trying to shut down HWY 75 every other year to build another high-profile deck park that maintenance costs will skyrocket once the brand new has worn off.

True. Hopefully (as this part of town develops), Knox will turn into a street that people feel comfortable crossing 75 on foot.

There's only so much you can do, given that it's a highway, but hopefully the lots right on the corner of Knox/75 are developed into something that encourage walking across the highway and don't just put up more garages along 75.

The mixed-use development is planned north of downtown Dallas in the popular Knox Street business district. Three towers would replace several retail buildings on the block between McKinney Avenue and U.S. Highway 75 at Armstrong Avenue.

Property owner Stockdale Investment Group is teaming up with developer Hines on the project – one of several in the works in the Knox neighborhood. The development will include an apartment high-rise, office tower, senior housing and retail.

An apartment tower with 300 units would face McKinney Avenue. A 250,000-square-foot office and a senior housing high-rise with 225 homes will front on North Central.

“We feel all the uses combined in one phase was the best plan,” said Stockdale managing partner Joe Pastora. “The majority of the parking is going to be underground. We feel the height and density belongs on North Central Expressway.”

“On McKinney Avenue, we are adding retail density - that’s where the neighborhood will be walking to,” said Stockdale partner Alex Johnson. “We fully expect to attract best-in-class restaurants and community-serving retail.”

LongonBigD wrote:I just left an initial neighborhood development meeting, more change proposed for Knox District. Tentatively keeping the name, Knox Promenade. First impression is positive.

The current owner (Stockdale Investments) of SE corner of McKinney Ave and Armstrong is asking to redevelop 4 (5?) buildings (currently retail). Stockdale has owned in this neighborhood for a long time. Impact on McKinney Ave is Doce Mesas south to Roti Grill—Serena and Lily building will stay. On the NCX side, Potbelly south to Salons of Dallas (not sure if Ed Kellum goes or stays). Owner is partnering with Hines to plan and develop. Architect is KPF (Kohn Pedersen Fox) with GFF assisting locally.

What is proposed? Three towers with an interior courtyard/driveway setup—think MSDell project a couple streets west. The top RH circle diagram in the rendering pics illustrate bldg locations for 3 new towers and Serene & Lily building. Apartment tower will face McKinney Ave/Armstrong with street level retail on both streets. Office tower and Sr. Living tower will front NCX and sit atop a shared 4 story garage. Corner of McKinney @ Armstrong is proposed 440’ tall, 300 unit multi-family tower. NCX @ Armstrong is proposed 350’ tall, 250k sq ft boutique office tower. NCX (mid-block where Salons/Ed Kellum sits currently) is proposed 280’ tall, 225 unit Senior Living tower. Ground floor Retail space along McKinney and Armstrong. All three towers will share a 5-story below ground garage with 4 stories above on the NCX side (connecting office tower and Sr Living tower).

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Here is a rough map overlay if you look at the 3D renderings, you can place the townhomes and the lone Serena store as landmarks to connect the dots.