Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 25 Oct 2022 20:39
A new thread to consolidate posts on this development. No formal name announced yet. Construction to begin Jan 2023.
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Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
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Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Oct 2022 09:56
Those tower heights 28,27,9 (as mentioned in recent DMN article) are taller than previous announced towers (18 and shorter). Did I miss something? If developer pushed for taller structures, seems like this would lead in SB’s column in DMN…
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Oct 2022 10:06
I noticed that too. There is only one tall tower in the preliminary renderings. The initial DMN story did say that the tower consists of 18 stories of residential “above” a boutique hotel. Is that the difference?
No telling with DMN. At the end of yesterdays reporting, SB says that the Knox Promenade project is “three stories.” I think that was meant to say three towers. So, is the 28 a typo? That rendering is clearly 8 stories for the apartment building.
What does the FAA height studies indicate?
No telling with DMN. At the end of yesterdays reporting, SB says that the Knox Promenade project is “three stories.” I think that was meant to say three towers. So, is the 28 a typo? That rendering is clearly 8 stories for the apartment building.
What does the FAA height studies indicate?
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Oct 2022 10:41
The height studies were quite tall, so tall I wondered why DMN hadn't been mentioning it from the start.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Oct 2022 10:47
Might be helpful if I just post the filings:
Multifamily Tower- https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2023003896
Hotel Tower - https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2023003895
Office - https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2023003893
Multifamily Tower- https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2023003896
Hotel Tower - https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2023003895
Office - https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2023003893
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Oct 2022 11:27
Below-grade parking -- excellent!
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Oct 2022 12:33
The 28 floor, 445Ksf hotel tower is being estimated at a cost of exactly $300 per square foot, here, the 27 floor residential tower is being estimated at exactly $250 per square foot, and the shorter office/retail mid rise is being estimated at $200.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Oct 2022 13:00
Also, here is a 3D project visual for easier reference.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Oct 2022 13:14
Nice ace to have up your sleeve. Thank you for sharing! So the original rendering would fit this height diagram from a certain perspective. You only see the short side of the apartment tower. That’s definitely the rendering I would trot out for all the HP residents to see in the DMN!
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Oct 2022 13:25
Well, every rendering is in the January Oak Lawn Committee presentation it has every detail rendered out including what sidewalks will look like that's where these came from.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 27 Oct 2022 22:58
I was asking on another thread if Grange Hall (Retail/Restaurant located at SW corner of Travis & Armstrong) had decided to stay at that location. They were reported to have leased the space at the opposite end of the building housing Beverley’s Bistro on Fitzhugh. Apparently, they are staying. I was thinking this tenant would be a perfect fit in or next to the new development. I looked at ownership of the existing Grange Hall building. Guess what? It’s owned by KD KNOX STREET VILLAGE HOLDCO LLC. This is the MSD Capital subsidiary which owns another 7-8 acres in Knox District.
I was also wondering what (if anything) might become of Morton Meyerson’s home (immediately west of Grange Hall). Interesting aside—Meyerson mentored Michael Dell during the early years of Dell Computer according to Wikipedia. I understand he doesn’t regularly live there any more. He has homes all over the world and this one looks to be a cold and sparse space. This building could be repurposed into any number of amazing venues. I have long fantasized about living in that building. Looking at the map, there are a lot of potential development sights south of MSD Capital project near Buena Vista & Armstrong. There are some odd lots near that intersection. Zoning would be a challenge.
I was also wondering what (if anything) might become of Morton Meyerson’s home (immediately west of Grange Hall). Interesting aside—Meyerson mentored Michael Dell during the early years of Dell Computer according to Wikipedia. I understand he doesn’t regularly live there any more. He has homes all over the world and this one looks to be a cold and sparse space. This building could be repurposed into any number of amazing venues. I have long fantasized about living in that building. Looking at the map, there are a lot of potential development sights south of MSD Capital project near Buena Vista & Armstrong. There are some odd lots near that intersection. Zoning would be a challenge.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 28 Oct 2022 12:28
Per DallasCAD, in 2020 MSD bought the Weir’s warehouse at BV & Armstrong, so that’s part of the 7 or 8 acres
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 07 Jan 2023 13:11
Any new information on this project?
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 07 Jan 2023 20:43
Construction well under way. Moving dirt, entire block fenced off except for Cafe Madrid. They close or block Travis St most days due to all the trucks coming and going. That really sucks because if you’re not aware, you have to go into HP and turn around.
Will try to get picks tomorrow.
Will try to get picks tomorrow.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 09 Jan 2023 17:43
Here are some update pics. Looks like they are doing utility work around the site. Travis St torn up good—now working at the intersection of Travis & Knox. It will be a miracle if Cafe Madrid survives. You can’t hardly get to it at all except on foot.
Looks like they might be starting to dig a hole on west side behind Mashburns old space. Hard to tell from the street. Not gonna miss those stupid palm trees which have always looked out of place. Kinda surprised they survived this long.
Looks like they might be starting to dig a hole on west side behind Mashburns old space. Hard to tell from the street. Not gonna miss those stupid palm trees which have always looked out of place. Kinda surprised they survived this long.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 10 Jan 2023 08:31
This is the development I'm most excited about in this area. I'm still a little surprised there is no talk of completing that DART stop here. I guess it would cost too much.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 10 Jan 2023 08:36
LongonBigD wrote:Here are some update pics. Looks like they are doing utility work around the site. Travis St torn up good—now working at the intersection of Travis & Knox. It will be a miracle if Cafe Madrid survives. You can’t hardly get to it at all except on foot.
Looks like they might be starting to dig a hole on west side behind Mashburns old space. Hard to tell from the street. Not gonna miss those stupid palm trees which have always looked out of place. Kinda surprised they survived this long.
The Palm Trees could be fake.
All the real ones died in February 2021.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 10 Jan 2023 09:16
All the real ones died in February 2021.
Unless you mean specifically on that site, which I am not 100% sure about, windmill palms don't care a thing about cold and all most certainly didn't die in 2021.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 10 Jan 2023 12:13
I haven’t kept up on this. What, exactly, is under construction here?
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 10 Jan 2023 13:14
Tucy wrote:I haven’t kept up on this. What, exactly, is under construction here?
Maybe what’s shown above in an Oct 26 post?
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 11 Jan 2023 17:53
mhainli wrote:Tucy wrote:I haven’t kept up on this. What, exactly, is under construction here?
Maybe what’s shown above in an Oct 26 post?
Yes, three new buildings. A 25+ story apt tower, a 25+ story condo/hotel tower and a 9-story office building--all connected to and integrated into the Katy Trail at Knox Street. Just hoping all the noise and activity do not displace the local flock of wild parrots settled here. See renderings and site plan at beginning of this thread.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 11 Jan 2023 18:59
Yes, I read the thread and saw the renderings. None of that seems to tell us exactly what, if anything, is under construction. All three buildings? One of them?
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 11 Jan 2023 19:22
Tucy wrote:Yes, I read the thread and saw the renderings. None of that seems to tell us exactly what, if anything, is under construction. All three buildings? One of them?
Sorry, I misunderstood your question. It was previously reported that it’s ALL going up at once. I believe all three share the same underground garage. Lots of discussion for this project still lives on the Knox Street/Knox District thread.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 09:59
LongonBigD wrote:Here are some update pics. Looks like they are doing utility work around the site. Travis St torn up good—now working at the intersection of Travis & Knox. It will be a miracle if Cafe Madrid survives. You can’t hardly get to it at all except on foot.
Looks like they might be starting to dig a hole on west side behind Mashburns old space. Hard to tell from the street. Not gonna miss those stupid palm trees which have always looked out of place. Kinda surprised they survived this long.
Those are Sabal palmetto (Cabbage Palm) native to the southeast. Almost all established palmettos survived February 2021 along with windmill Palms that another poster mentioned (Trachycarpus fortunei)
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 13:17
People should use sabal palms more around here. They are much more tolerant to our weather.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 13:42
I don't understand the use of any palms in Dallas area as they seem really out of place with the climate and nature scape that exist here. I think it started as a trend at some point like country french or tuscan style and really should end.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 14:56
Cbdallas wrote:I don't understand the use of any palms in Dallas area as they seem really out of place with the climate and nature scape that exist here. I think it started as a trend at some point like country french or tuscan style and really should end.
In-N-Out at least plants them as homage to their Southern California (LA) roots. They were all killed in the freeze though and had to be replaced.
Not sure how that will work in TN though, where the winters are even colder.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 13 Jan 2023 15:50
Palm Trees are native to the area. Particularly, the Dwarf Palmetto. I’ve seen these planted across the area. Especially, in drought tolerant landscapes.
Not sure about the taller ones though
http://dallastrinitytrails.blogspot.com ... y.html?m=1
Not sure about the taller ones though
http://dallastrinitytrails.blogspot.com ... y.html?m=1
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 26 Feb 2023 18:29
No site progress noted here. There are materials stored on-site which appear to be utility related. All work here the last few weeks seems to be related to the utilities under Knox St, Armstrong (now closed) and Travis.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 16:19
They continue to shove dirt around, but no actual action noticed since they knocked down Mashburns/Lamps Plus (except for the front facade). What’s the hold up?
Stumbled on this rendering from an interesting angle.
Stumbled on this rendering from an interesting angle.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 16:48
That is going to make such a huge impact on that area. I'm very excited for it to be built.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 12 Sep 2023 20:43
A couple of buildings occupying the current site have extended their leases to current tenants for another two years. Don't expect any movement on this development anytime soon.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 12 Sep 2023 21:48
There are no remaining buildings on the MSD site. Cafe Madrid and the salon next door is owned by someone who refused to sell. This building will remain. It is the one with a white roof (at the NW corner of Travis and Armstrong) in the rendering below.
Is this the development you meant? Or were the renewals at Armstrong and McKinney?
Is this the development you meant? Or were the renewals at Armstrong and McKinney?
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 14 Sep 2023 18:26
Armstrong & McKinney along Central Expressway.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 14 Sep 2023 19:22
I’m not sad to hear this news. There are plenty of valuable goods and services at this development location (Knox Promenade) that are needed in the neighborhood. Wishing they were getting more than two year extensions, but it will do for now.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 14 Sep 2023 23:38
rono3849 wrote:Armstrong & McKinney along Central Expressway.
That’s a different development
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 23 Oct 2023 22:54
rono3849 wrote:A couple of buildings occupying the current site have extended their leases to current tenants for another two years. Don't expect any movement on this development anytime soon.
Here's the link to LongOnBigD's post about that project, which as mentioned is not this MSD one, and if you see anything going on like a tower crane base for the MSD one please snap a pic!
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1171&p=48024#p48024
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 29 Nov 2023 12:45
Any update on this project?
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 29 Nov 2023 20:41
Only this interview with Ray Washburne:
“Behind that will be an Auberge Resort Collection hotel, with condominiums on top. We’re pretty much sold out, and we’re very encouraged by that. We’re also doing a 350-unit apartment building, and right off the Katy Trail we’ll have a one-acre park that’s surrounded by restaurants and retail.”
As far as actual construction, they just piddle around. Nothing to see or report.
“Behind that will be an Auberge Resort Collection hotel, with condominiums on top. We’re pretty much sold out, and we’re very encouraged by that. We’re also doing a 350-unit apartment building, and right off the Katy Trail we’ll have a one-acre park that’s surrounded by restaurants and retail.”
As far as actual construction, they just piddle around. Nothing to see or report.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 02 Dec 2023 09:39
Ground work has been done to remove trees and asphalt.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 05 Dec 2023 13:22
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 05 Dec 2023 13:49
So frustrating that we're missing a train stop for one of the most quickly densifying neighborhoods in town with no plan on the horizon for it whatsoever despite the station just sitting there waiting to be finished.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 05 Dec 2023 16:05
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 05 Dec 2023 16:41
Wow that is way better than expected. Those are some incredible renderings.
I really hope this doesn't somehow interfere with the Katy Trail traffic.
I really hope this doesn't somehow interfere with the Katy Trail traffic.
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 05 Dec 2023 16:55
Plus 100K sf of additional retail / restaurant space is pretty sweet. Will be interesting to see what tenants they attract, as this space will be very desirable!
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 05 Dec 2023 18:30
What a tremendous addition to the neighborhood! With all the bars, lounges, and restaurants that will no doubt be a part of this, Knox Street is going to become Deep Ellum for rich people (sans all the murder)! lol
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 05 Dec 2023 19:45
Yesterday's view (12-4-23)
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 06 Dec 2023 09:30
I'm a little confused. Are they building all 3 buildings at once or in phases?
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 06 Dec 2023 10:24
MC_ScattCat wrote:I'm a little confused. Are they building all 3 buildings at once or in phases?
I believe all at once. I didnt read anything about phases. It just said it will be complete in 2026
Re: Knox District: MSD Capital - Knox/Travis - 28/27/9 stories
Posted: 06 Dec 2023 15:38
^If it's 2026 then all three seems a sure bet. Thats a rapid change for this area.