Dallas Fort Worth Urban Forum

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Cool shots, they are almost up to six. I will be watching to see if they continue up from there where the hotel is supposed to be.

Watching for that here as well. I hope they do incorporate the hotel into this first phase.

They started setting the forms for floor six this week.

No sign yet that either the hotel or residential tower portion are moving forward.

cowboyeagle05 wrote:No sign yet that either the hotel or residential tower portion are moving forward.

I read somewhere that the hotel will start as soon as phase 1 is complete and when phase 2cis complete then the residential will start. But that's just what I read.

The parking is obviously Trammel Crow Towers main concern since it guaranteed as part of leasing so I have no doubt that it is the primary goal. As far as the other phases, they could easily dismiss them later if they wanted to despite the advantage the other two phases could have a positive impact on the overall neighborhood improvement.

cowboyeagle05 wrote:The parking is obviously Trammel Crow Towers main concern since it guaranteed as part of leasing so I have no doubt that it is the primary goal. As far as the other phases, they could easily dismiss them later if they wanted to despite the advantage the other two phases could have a positive impact on the overall neighborhood improvement.

I also read that the hotel is going to start in late 2018

Last time I walked by this place I noticed the space on the east side where nothing is being built. There was a large picture on the wall in front that showed a green park like setting in that space. Doesn't look like the residential tower is coming anytime soon.

This development needs at least the hotel. I hope we don't just get a glorified parking garage with some retail.

This is one of those projects where the most recent rendering I saw I hope turns out better than it appears.

The parking garage is moving up another level, going to 7.

Relevant to an up-thread discussion about whether apartments were being built faster than they are being absorbed:

"Dallas-Fort Worth's net apartment leasing totaled 5,465 units in the second quarter.
That sounds like a lot, but it's not enough.
Developers completed almost 7,000 apartments in the last three months. And on an annual basis, apartment demand is lagging new supply by almost 10,000 units, according to the latest data from Richardson-based RealPage."


https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... ghborhoods

So prices are finally starting to level out. It's about time.

Maybe the resistance to build residential at 2000 Ross now was a smart play.

This picture is from early June




Entrance from Flora

Wow! I’m loving the interior so far.

That is one massive parking garage.

ContriveDallasite wrote:That is one massive parking garage.

It sure is...and that why I’ve been very vocal in my dislike of it. Hopefully, the other phases will be competed soon. Then maybe I’ll change my opinion...

Yall have to realize that the hotel is going to be built on top of the garage and its going to have about 30,000 square feet of ground floor retail.

Warrior2015 wrote:Yall have to realize that the hotel is going to be built on top of the garage and its going to have about 30,000 square feet of ground-floor retail.

Oh don't worry we realize it but the hotel isn't a sure thing until it starts construction as is the same story with every pretty rendering project that gets flashed around in this town. Plus there are plenty of garages built in the CBD that had the same intentions. Garage with ground floor retail which sits mostly empty or in 10 years is empty and the operator doesn't care cause after all this is a garage project first for the office building across the street.
All the other stuff is just extras they threw in to add lipstick to the pig.

Worst case scenario we get no hotel or residential tower and one retail space gets occupied by Jimmy Johns or Subway. I just hope they at least get some neighborhood service retail, dry cleaners, casual sit down eatery, nail/hair salon, maybe a fine dining restaurant.

cowboyeagle05 wrote:

Warrior2015 wrote:Yall have to realize that the hotel is going to be built on top of the garage and its going to have about 30,000 square feet of ground-floor retail.

Oh don't worry we realize it but the hotel isn't a sure thing until it starts construction as is the same story with every pretty rendering project that gets flashed around in this town. Plus there are plenty of garages built in the CBD that had the same intentions. Garage with ground floor retail which sits mostly empty or in 10 years is empty and the operator doesn't care cause after all this is a garage project first for the office building across the street.
All the other stuff is just extras they threw in to add lipstick to the pig.

Worst case scenario we get no hotel or residential tower and one retail space gets occupied by Jimmy Johns or Subway. I just hope they at least get some neighborhood service retail, dry cleaners, casual sit down eatery, nail/hair salon, maybe a fine dining restaurant.

You hit the nail right on the head! That’s exactly what I’m feeling with this project. I hope my feelings are wrong. I’m just not sure if we’ll end up with what we are promised. All I see is just a massive parking garage with retail.....

dallaz wrote:

cowboyeagle05 wrote:

Warrior2015 wrote:Yall have to realize that the hotel is going to be built on top of the garage and its going to have about 30,000 square feet of ground-floor retail.

Oh don't worry we realize it but the hotel isn't a sure thing until it starts construction as is the same story with every pretty rendering project that gets flashed around in this town. Plus there are plenty of garages built in the CBD that had the same intentions. Garage with ground floor retail which sits mostly empty or in 10 years is empty and the operator doesn't care cause after all this is a garage project first for the office building across the street.
All the other stuff is just extras they threw in to add lipstick to the pig.

Worst case scenario we get no hotel or residential tower and one retail space gets occupied by Jimmy Johns or Subway. I just hope they at least get some neighborhood service retail, dry cleaners, casual sit down eatery, nail/hair salon, maybe a fine dining restaurant.

You hit the nail right on the head! That’s exactly what I’m feeling with this project. I hope my feelings are wrong. I’m just not sure if we’ll end up with what we are promised. All I see is just a massive parking garage with retail.....

Of course that's all you're going to see now because its phase 1. The hotel is going to happen. The residential may be a while longer,but the hotel is for sure.

When the hotel actually does start then I will congratulate the action but until then I will be skeptical because developers promise more than they actually give. Phase 1 and the only phase that matters to Trammel Crow towers owners is the parking. As I said before the rest is just extra mixer in the cocktail they are already enjoying.

*tries to find something postive to say*

Well...at least it’s not an aslphat parking lot

dallaz wrote:*tries to find something postive to say*

Well...at least it’s not an aslphat parking lot

...or, an asphalt parking lot, either.

jrd1964 wrote:

dallaz wrote:*tries to find something postive to say*

Well...at least it’s not an aslphat parking lot

...or, an asphalt parking lot, either.

I swear this phone has a mind of its own. It keeps reminding me how I am not tech savvy.

Does anyone have any scoop on this one, or are we waiting out to see if we're about to get a 10 story blocksized parking garage?

Will they add the external cladding before the next phases begin? Have any tenants signed on to the retail portion yet?

Not sure if anything's changed, other than not enough construction workers or any back-pedaling on the part of potential tenants or bank financing. I don't see much media reporting on a rush of anyone wanting to be a part of the project, as of yet. The hotel part doesn't seem specific as to a brand so far, either; I've heard 1 or 2 names before, but nothing like 'oh it's gonna be a _______' lately.

They are pouring the 7th floor and it's apparent they will be moving up to 8 as the forms for the ramps to go up another level are already in place. Huge garage keeps getting larger. I guess one more after 8 for a total of 9?

The exterior cladding has started to make an appearance. Saw it from up and far away but it looks very white.It also appears they are working on the individual retail spaces or close to it.

Yes, the cladding has started going up on Ross and a bit on Harwood so far. It's white or white-ish and appears to also have glass. They have been attaching the hardware for the cladding on the lower floors over the last couple of weeks. It looks pretty interesting so far (vertical rectangular pieces of glass w/substantial white louvers and framing dominating the overall look in a sense), but, I suppose we'll see how it all ties together later. We'll just have to start getting pictures of it so this description can be revised! I'll get one this week as well.

When you walk by every day, it has gotten easier to notice little things like exactly where the reserved areas for a hotel lobby are being designed-in as well as for the retail spaces. The underside of the second floor gives it away in a few spots.

Facing Ross:





Olive side where there is still pre-construction parking lot all along this side, some asphalt covered completely in excavated dirt in places:

Now we wait to see if the residential tower side gets a full cover of pretty facade or if they just leave it open.

Exactly.

I was thinking:

They cover it? It isn't getting built or it'll be quite some time and wow it's nice they at least made the Olive side look aesthetically more pleasing than an open side until the "time is right" whenever that is.

The don't cover it? Either they'll start soon with a new re-positioned crane or wow wouldn't it suck if it's open for years before/if ever starting. . .

CTroyMathis wrote:Facing Ross:

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Olive side where there is still pre-construction parking lot all along this side, some asphalt covered completely in excavated dirt in places:

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That looks great...much better than I expected!

Working on floor 8 and FWIW I count five elevator shafts, four of them on the hotel side or where the alleged hotel is supposed to go. Should be one more parking level.

That's very reflective.

Tnexster wrote:That's very reflective.

"Gird the Nasher!" - D Magazine

August 2018 update

Tower exterior also starting to come together.

^That is looking pretty nice

The ramps are being placed for the 9th garage floor.

New restaurant and retail tenants land at downtown Dallas' Trammell Crow Center
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... row-center

Boutique grocer Royal Blue is going in a corner spot on the groundfloor of the 33-year-old skyscraper.

And a new full-service restaurant by Dallas' NL Group will also be locating at the base of the tower.

Across the street fronting on Ross, leases have been signed with two more eateries - Roti Modern Med and Southpaws Grill.

Interesting that they would open a Roti so close to the other location at McKinney & Olive.

That's a surprise, but I always welcome restaurants that add some variety to the food scene in the urban core. Way too many American restaurants, and not enough ethnic food. Which is a shame, because we actually have amazing ethnic food out in the suburbs, but not much in the core.

I've never been to Roti, but it doesn't seem as authentic as some of the restaurants in Irving, but I still see this as a step in the right direction.

lakewoodhobo wrote:

New restaurant and retail tenants land at downtown Dallas' Trammell Crow Center
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... row-center

Boutique grocer Royal Blue is going in a corner spot on the groundfloor of the 33-year-old skyscraper.

And a new full-service restaurant by Dallas' NL Group will also be locating at the base of the tower.

Across the street fronting on Ross, leases have been signed with two more eateries - Roti Modern Med and Southpaws Grill.

Interesting that they would open a Roti so close to the other location at McKinney & Olive.

A 2000 car parking garage ??! Damn that's alot of parking!