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Postby lakewoodhobo » 21 Oct 2020 15:31

Apartment developer Columbus Realty eyes riverfront project near downtown Dallas
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... wn-dallas/


Columbus Realty, which built the apartments at Plano’s $3 billion Legacy West development and other successful Dallas-Fort Worth projects, has joined with the owners of a 47-acre site on the Trinity River.

The 505 Riverfront Boulevard property sits at the foot of the iconic Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge and is one of the city’s largest riverfront development sites.

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Postby Tucy » 21 Oct 2020 16:35

It seems like there have been a bunch of proposed riverfront projects recently, but none of them seem to be happening.
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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 21 Oct 2020 16:37

Cool story bro. Lemme know when y'all start movin' dirt.
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Postby IcedCowboyCoffee » 20 Apr 2022 13:55

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Cool story bro. Lemme know when y'all start movin' dirt.

Looks like dirt has been moved

"Construction starts on major Dallas riverfront development"
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Construction has started on 535 apartments in a five-story building, Shaw said in an email. Dallas architect GFF designed the project.

- Dallas Morning News
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2022/04/20/construction-starts-on-major-dallas-riverfront-development/
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Postby eburress » 20 Apr 2022 14:09

I like it! I hope those units facing the freeway have some pretty good noise insulation though.
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Postby potatocoins » 20 Apr 2022 14:17

Great news! Looking forward to more development on this side of the pedestrian bridge. Seems like there's always a decent amount of activity on the bridge (meaning it's not completely desolate/barren), so it'll be nice to have some newer development on the Design District side eventually.
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Postby IcedCowboyCoffee » 20 Apr 2022 14:17

eburress wrote:I like it! I hope those units facing the freeway have some pretty good noise insulation though.

Well I'm guessing the entire freeway facing side is just a lengthy parking garage. Probably looks awful from the freeway :lol: That's alright though, only a problem when we address the freeway problem itself in the distant future. For now I'm just glad to see so many units.
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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Apr 2022 16:00

And at least these units will have access to the newer sidewalks and bike trails along Riverfront the county built recently connecting the development to the surrounding bridges over the Trinity and into Victory Park, West End, and by extension the Katy Trail. Also gives Victory Park more close in customers so that area can continue to stabilize. Plus this pops the stalemate for urban development near the jail and bail bonds sites that dominate this section of town.
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Postby Tnexster » 20 Apr 2022 16:04

Finally something happening here, just drove by a short time ago and didn't notice anything but will have to take a closer look next time I go by which could be tomorrow. Hope we get a pic soon.
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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 20 Apr 2022 18:09

IcedCowboyCoffee wrote:
eburress wrote:I like it! I hope those units facing the freeway have some pretty good noise insulation though.

Well I'm guessing the entire freeway facing side is just a lengthy parking garage. Probably looks awful from the freeway :lol: That's alright though, only a problem when we address the freeway problem itself in the distant future. For now I'm just glad to see so many units.


You're probably right. Hopefully they wrap it though...
But this is Dallas so standards are low here...
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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 20 Apr 2022 18:11

So what's the deal with rest of 505 Riverfront project. There's 42 acres left... More Plano-style 5-story apartment wraps?
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Postby R1070 » 20 Apr 2022 19:50

what a waste of great views... this would be a great highrise location.
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Postby undefinedprocess » 21 Apr 2022 02:01

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:So what's the deal with rest of 505 Riverfront project. There's 42 acres left ... More Plano style 5 story apartment wraps?

I posted this in a more rough format on the Discord, so I'll throw it here.

MissArk Real Estate is the owner of the ~42 or so acres. Columbus Realty, the developer of these apartments (505 North Riverfront) was one of the developers involved in Legacy West. They purchased the ~5 acres for this project from MissArk Real Estate, so this property sitting for so long is to be blamed on MissArk.

Props to Columbus Realty for actually making a move on this site, but yeah, the Plano-style wrapped apartments on such a prominent site (forget Margaret Hunt Hill, how about the damn pedestrian bridge) is disappointing.
R1070 wrote:what a waste of great views... this would be a great highrise location.

Agreed, but I'm just glad a developer had the guts to do anything here, finally. Hopefully, future adjacent developments go vertical. These sites deserve it (and would be great density for such a great location with the trails/pedestrian infra all around).

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Postby willyk » 21 Apr 2022 03:21

Great project, but the article says Columbus was attracted to the site because of the planned Trinity River Park. Did I miss the memo? I have not heard of any efforts to make that happen in the near term.

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Postby Cbdallas » 21 Apr 2022 08:14

Being able to walk from your apartment right over the pedestrian bridge into Trinity Groves is a great feature.

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Postby vman » 21 Apr 2022 09:20

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:So what's the deal with rest of 505 Riverfront project. There's 42 acres left... More Plano-style 5-story apartment wraps?

It's hard to call these "Plano-style" apartments when this design is all over "urban" Dallas.
It's a shame though because this area should be high-rise residential.

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Postby kingkong34 » 21 Apr 2022 09:43

willyk wrote:Great project, but the article says Columbus was attracted to the site because of the planned Trinity River Park. Did I miss the memo? I have not heard of any efforts to make that happen in the near term.


That's a good point, let's hope it spurs on some actual construction of the park. It's been sitting for too long.

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Postby Tnexster » 21 Apr 2022 09:50

Still a lot of room for high rises.

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Postby MC_ScattCat » 21 Apr 2022 10:55

Tnexster wrote:Still a lot of room for high rises.
I agree. Plus in the renderings there are some of these style apartments. Anything to get rid of the millions of bail bond places is nice. The bridge is usually busy but more towards the west side. Hopefully this will begin the redevelopments around there like the cabana hotel.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 21 Apr 2022 11:11

vman wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:So what's the deal with rest of 505 Riverfront project. There's 42 acres left... More Plano-style 5-story apartment wraps?

It's hard to call these "Plano-style" apartments when this design is all over "urban" Dallas.
It's a shame though because this area should be high-rise residential.

Whoosh my dude ...

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Postby IcedCowboyCoffee » 21 Apr 2022 12:02

kingkong34 wrote:
willyk wrote:Great project, but the article says Columbus was attracted to the site because of the planned Trinity River Park. Did I miss the memo? I have not heard of any efforts to make that happen in the near term.


That's a good point, let's hope it spurs on some actual construction of the park. It's been sitting for too long.

I believe we're still waiting on the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to finish their flood improvement plans. When they do the park plan can be modified and presumably built piecemeal around the levee work, but don't expect anything to begin until the USACE tells us exactly what it's planning on doing. That park is years away and I don't think any of us should hold our breath for it.

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Postby Tnexster » 21 Apr 2022 15:23

When did Dallas vote on this? 1998? I don't know if we will ever see this finished.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 21 Apr 2022 15:47

Tnexster wrote:When did Dallas vote on this? 1998? I don't know if we will ever see this finished.

We been through this before .....
The park was only bait for the toll road...
Once that idea was deemed idiotic and wasteful...
The park stalled...

You know who pulls the strings on these things was/is the Toll ppl..

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Postby eburress » 21 Apr 2022 20:51

Back to the building, I like how it has actual sidewalks sans those stupid grass strips. That's an improvement over most Dallas projects in and of itself.

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Postby willyk » 22 Apr 2022 03:58

eburress wrote:Back to the building, I like how it has actual sidewalks sans those stupid grass strips. That's an improvement over most Dallas projects in and of itself.


OK. I would add that the neighborhoods along Riverfront from here north all the way to Turtle Creek/Manufacturing have really started to get cleaned up and leased up nicely. The bail bond action is south of here near the jail. I think this location is fairly attractive now and will only get better. This project and the Urby will be the residential bookends of the neighborhood.

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Postby eburress » 22 Apr 2022 08:11

100%. There's so much potential for this area and its momentum is only going to grow.

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Postby IcedCowboyCoffee » 22 Apr 2022 11:58

Finally getting something anything built at that end of the bridge will be great.
From the west it feels silly to walk more than halfway across the bridge knowing the only thing waiting on the other end is a gas station and some warehouses. Get residents on the east side and the pedestrian bridge might function as an actual bridge.

And all the cynicism surrounding the trinity park is rightly earned, but I still hope something can materialize. There's no more risk of the toll road, and the USACE will keep Dallas's worst ostentatious design impulses in check. I just want to see a more natural and inviting pedestrian access for entering the levees and I think the overlook parks are a good idea. It's everything between the levees we shouldn't bother messing with. Just plant some native blackland prairie grasses and wildflowers and let it rewild to the extent that flood management allows us.

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Postby Tnexster » 22 Apr 2022 12:55

IcedCowboyCoffee wrote:Finally getting something anything

And all the cynicism surrounding the trinity park is rightly earned, but I still hope something can materialize. There's no more risk of the toll road, and the USACE will keep Dallas's worst ostentatious design impulses in check. I just want to see a more natural and inviting pedestrian access for entering the levees and I think the overlook parks are a good idea. It's everything between the levees we shouldn't bother messing with. Just plant some native blackland prairie grasses and wildflowers and let it rewild to the extent that flood management allows us.


I have thought the same thing forever, plant some native stuff and let it go. It's infinitely less expensive. But yay on the development on the east side, one success will bring more.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 22 Apr 2022 13:10

The reality is this area is still not been tapped and we need a seed project like this to poke holes in the current status quo of drive-thrus, bail bonds, and older designer furniture shops that have odd hours not conducive to a living functional daily city activity. No one was ever going to walk in and slap a 30-story luxury residential high rise here the way it is. Something on this scale starts to set the presidence for density and walkability since it actually connects to the street. Next, another developer can feel more confident to flip existing buildings into walkable restaurants or businesses that don't just cater to designers when they open their showrooms once a week.
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Postby MC_ScattCat » 22 Apr 2022 13:17

Will they ever move the jail and courthouse?

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 22 Apr 2022 14:08

There is no reason to at this point. Moving the jail complex would require them to find a new location in a community that won't fight it. You put it in an area like South Dallas and you end up starting a fight about systemic racism. You try to put it more north Dallas and Karen will have the entire PTA armed and ready for the fight. For now, they honestly have no reason to move the county jail and court buildings.
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Postby MC_ScattCat » 22 Apr 2022 16:13

I thought about that but there are some areas that are more industrial (Irving Blvd. around Mockingbird for example) where hopefully that topic could be avoided? I agree there is no reason to move it right now, but maybe in the future?

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 22 Apr 2022 18:22

cowboyeagle05 wrote:There is no reason to at this point. Moving the jail complex would require them to find a new location in a community that won't fight it. You put it in an area like South Dallas and you end up starting a fight about systemic racism. You try to put it more north Dallas and Karen will have the entire PTA armed and ready for the fight. For now, they honestly have no reason to move the county jail and court buildings.

Ppl can complain where to put a municipal building. But they can't stop it.

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Postby mdg109 » 23 Apr 2022 15:08

So, if the detention centers/courts stay, then are we just stuck with bail bond, liquor stores, and cheap attorneys scattered around this section?

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 23 Apr 2022 20:03

mdg109 wrote:So, if the detention centers/courts stay, then are we just stuck with bail bond, liquor stores, and cheap attorneys scattered around this section?

:lol:

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 24 Apr 2022 13:23

R1070 wrote:what a waste of great views... this would be a great highrise location.

You know I actually disagree.. I think 5 story is perfect. The reason I say that is that a 10 story building would actually obstruct the view of city from the bridge.

At the trinity overlook, Lew Sterret Judicial Center creates a giant wall from the out look. Imagine what a tower would do!

I think 5-8 stories may be the right height. I think a structure being tall enough to hide some of the nasty overpasses is what may be best.

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Postby eburress » 24 Apr 2022 16:20

I'm actually fine with the height as well. I'd much rather keep the height in the core and add to the density elsewhere.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 26 Apr 2022 14:29

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:There is no reason to at this point. Moving the jail complex would require them to find a new location in a community that won't fight it. You put it in an area like South Dallas and you end up starting a fight about systemic racism. You try to put it more north Dallas and Karen will have the entire PTA armed and ready for the fight. For now, they honestly have no reason to move the county jail and court buildings.

Ppl can complain where to put a municipal building. But they can't stop it.


This is county-level stuff but yes people can complain and projects get canceled all the time. Hell, even the Trinity River Tollway finally died after decades of complaints, exhaustion, and boredom with the topic. The South Dallas Inland Port/Hub was held up by a certain South Dallas commissioner because he claimed it needed more studies to determine its viability. There are always ways to paint projects to the listening public to get them canceled or delayed indefinitely.

I do think there are spots where it could go honestly if it made sense one day but I do not think that is the primary reason at this point developers haven't touched these properties. These sites have decades of issues not related to the county jail that also weigh on the viability of this site. Fighting homeowners in Bishop Arts to put up 300+ apartments is an easier and preferable direction for developers right now. Eventually, things will rise above those issues as Trinity Groves and Bishop Arts/OakCliff Gateway become too busy and the Design District also applies further pressure towards the south of Riverfront Dr. then these properties will get the attention they deserve.
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Postby mhainli » 28 Apr 2022 12:36

cowboyeagle05 wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:There is no reason to at this point. Moving the jail complex would require them to find a new location in a community that won't fight it. You put it in an area like South Dallas and you end up starting a fight about systemic racism. You try to put it more north Dallas and Karen will have the entire PTA armed and ready for the fight. For now, they honestly have no reason to move the county jail and court buildings.

Ppl can complain where to put a municipal building. But they can't stop it.


This is county-level stuff but yes people can complain and projects get canceled all the time. Hell, even the Trinity River Tollway finally died after decades of complaints, exhaustion, and boredom with the topic. The South Dallas Inland Port/Hub was held up by a certain South Dallas commissioner because he claimed it needed more studies to determine its viability. There are always ways to paint projects to the listening public to get them canceled or delayed indefinitely.

I do think there are spots where it could go honestly if it made sense one day but I do not think that is the primary reason at this point developers haven't touched these properties. These sites have decades of issues not related to the county jail that also weigh on the viability of this site. Fighting homeowners in Bishop Arts to put up 300+ apartments is an easier and preferable direction for developers right now. Eventually, things will rise above those issues as Trinity Groves and Bishop Arts/OakCliff Gateway become too busy and the Design District also applies further pressure towards the south of Riverfront Dr. then these properties will get the attention they deserve.

In addition, those county buildings (court house, jail, etc.) are not that old (built in 80s?). Many years from now a redo vs relo argument will transpire. At that point, when the land itself is even more valuable, may make sense to relocate somewhere else - hopefully close to a DART rail station. But wherever it goes it will probably face stiff opposition.

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Postby willyk » 04 May 2022 09:39

Looks like the dirt work is going north all the way to Continental and to the foot of the Ronald Kirk Bridge Park. Access to the park will be a nice amenity for the residents.

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 02 Sep 2022 07:35

Long Awaited Dallas Riverfront Project Under Construction
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/long- ... n/3060698/

No breaking news here, just the ribbon cutting and usual pats on the back.

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Postby IcedCowboyCoffee » 13 Feb 2023 11:17

This has been coming along.
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Postby ContriveDallasite » 14 Feb 2023 09:10

Nice in-fill, but these ought to be some of the loudest apartments in the entire city.

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Postby Tnexster » 04 Jan 2024 14:47

Hundreds of apartments planned on Trinity River site west of downtown Dallas
The $75 million rental community is the second phase of a major project on Riverfront Boulevard.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... wn-dallas/

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Tnexster wrote:Hundreds of apartments planned on Trinity River site west of downtown Dallas
The $75 million rental community is the second phase of a major project on Riverfront Boulevard.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... wn-dallas/


Can Anyone give TLDR version of this? What is phase 2 exactly? And where?

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 07 Jan 2024 13:56

So the site will be on 110 Continental St. I think that's the plot by Jack n the Box. How long till the tattoo shops and fast shops bit the dust.

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Tivo_Kenevil wrote:So the site will be on 110 Continental St. I think that's the plot by Jack n the Box.

Yes I believe this is correct.

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The entire site is massive. Where phase one in green is complete, phase two is likely the blue section next to it with direct access to the pedestrian bridge. I don't think we've heard any concrete details about anything breaking ground on the other side of the highway yet, just that they plan to eventually have a mixed-use development there.
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IcedCowboyCoffee wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:So the site will be on 110 Continental St. I think that's the plot by Jack n the Box.

Yes I believe this is correct.

riverfront.jpg
The entire site is massive. Where phase one in green is complete, phase two is likely the blue section next to it with direct access to the pedestrian bridge. I don't think we've heard any concrete details about anything breaking ground on the other side of the highway yet, just that they plan to eventually have a mixed-use development there.


Is the other bigger plot by the courthouse even owned by the developers? I'm not sure it tbh ... I remember years ago it was owned by another group who had grandiose ideas for the site.

That entire site could become an entirely insulated community; it's that big!

Would love to see 4-5 stories mixed use apartments go up in that large plot.

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Postby IcedCowboyCoffee » 08 Jan 2024 11:59

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
IcedCowboyCoffee wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:So the site will be on 110 Continental St. I think that's the plot by Jack n the Box.

Yes I believe this is correct.

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The entire site is massive. Where phase one in green is complete, phase two is likely the blue section next to it with direct access to the pedestrian bridge. I don't think we've heard any concrete details about anything breaking ground on the other side of the highway yet, just that they plan to eventually have a mixed-use development there.


Is the other bigger plot by the courthouse even owned by the developers? I'm not sure it tbh ... I remember years ago it was owned by another group who had grandiose ideas for the site.

That entire site could become an entirely insulated community; it's that big!

Would love to see 4-5 stories mixed use apartments go up in that large plot.

I'm not totally sure. Steve Brown here is describing this development as "being built on part of a 40-acre site on Riverfront Boulevard near the bridge.", referring to this old article: https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2018/03/23/dallas-riverfront-project-would-bring-shopping-and-apartment-towers/

This current development sits on some of the old site plan. I'm really not sure if Columbus Realty bought just this portion of the site or all 40 acres of it.