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Posted: **05 Jul 2017 20:13**

JoninATX wrote:Any updates?

Drove by yesterday. Nothing yet.

Posted: **01 Aug 2017 08:48**

There is actually some equipment moving dirt around this morning on the plot that is on the same side as Ross as the KPMG building. Not a ton of activity, but some after months of nothing.

Posted: **01 Aug 2017 09:41**

^Good to know, glad something is happening.

Posted: **01 Aug 2017 11:57**

Work Schedule: 10/16/2017 to 04/30/2019

Site Elevation: 470
Structure Height: 520
Total Height (AMSL): 990

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 04&row=123

Posted: **01 Aug 2017 13:09**

maconahey wrote:
Work Schedule: 10/16/2017 to 04/30/2019

Site Elevation: 470
Structure Height: 520
Total Height (AMSL): 990

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 04&row=123

^^^^^^^
Wow, if that is the height of the tower that is very nice!

At 520 feet tall that would make an impressive impact on the skyline! Museum Tower is 560 feet and Hall's tower would be getting very close to that.

Downtown will be receiving some skyscraper height buildings what with Hall Arts Hotel & Residences, the AMLI Fountain Place, and 2121 Flora Street. There are others that could happen but those three are a nice start to getting some relatively impressive height added to Downtown Dallas.

Posted: **01 Aug 2017 13:44**

520 feet is the height for the crane, not the building.

Posted: **01 Aug 2017 13:49**

Yeah but how tall will the crane be?

Posted: **01 Aug 2017 13:55**

It was reported in the first post in this thread that the FAA has issued a determination for the building at 440 feet. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 4234&row=5

Posted: **01 Aug 2017 15:23**

This is a 25 story tower? Still, a fairly significant addition to the skyline along with the other two mentioned although I think AMLI will be the most striking and significant change since Museum Tower.

Posted: **01 Aug 2017 20:56**

I just don't know how a 25 floor residential bldg will add up to 440 feet.

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 08:13**

The stories can have varying heights. The penthouses could have 20 ft. ceilings for instance.

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 08:15**

In the description, it says a mixed-use project with an 8-level podium and a 26-level condominium tower. So, wouldn't that be 32 floors total ? Makes more sense for 440 feet

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 4234&row=5

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 10:38**

dbent wrote:In the description, it says a mixed-use project with an 8-level podium and a 26-level condominium tower. So, wouldn't that be 32 floors total ? Makes more sense for 440 feet

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 4234&row=5

That is an odd (perhaps outdated) description. It does not comport with any of the renderings or with the descriptions on the project's own website.

Keep in mind that FAA filings often state a height taller than the actual plans.

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 11:01**

That is crazy height for a 25 floor building. The Magnolia is 29 floors and tops at 400 feet.

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 11:28**

joshua.dodd wrote:That is crazy height for a 25 floor building. The Magnolia is 29 floors and tops at 400 feet.

It's the high ceilings no doubt

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 11:48**

I believe the "8-story podium" is off to the side and not contributing to the overall height of the tower

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 12:09**

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
joshua.dodd wrote:That is crazy height for a 25 floor building. The Magnolia is 29 floors and tops at 400 feet.

It's the high ceilings no doubt

Combination of high ceilings and an overstated FAA application. For reference, the most recent high-rise luxury residential buildings built in Dallas are:

Museum Tower - 42 stories - 560 feet
Bleu Ciel - 32 stories 375 feet

Using those average floor heights would put the Hall Arts residences in the 293 - 333 foot range. Mr. Hall may be planning higher ceilings than those two projects, but it seems unlikely his ceilings will be 33-50% higher.

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 12:24**

I found this on the website, if the ceilings are already high one can assume this feature would add to that height per floor.

http://www.hallartsresidences.com/building/

HALL Arts Residences features a raised floor system, which enhances each home by providing several advantages that promote energy efficiency, homeowner comfort and convenience. A raised floor system creates an 18” open space between the floor of a room and its structural slab, which can be used for a variety of positive enhancements such as increased sound dampening and consistent heating and air conditioning flow. When renovating for spatial changes or for new technology, a raised access floor system provides homeowners with an extraordinary level of flexibility while minimizing discomfort to neighbors during the process.

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 12:27**

Also, there is no podium but the penthouse is enormous and looks like it could almost be three or four floors so that would add to the overall height.

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 15:49**

Slab to slab appears to be 12.5', including the future-proofing space with remaining 11' floor to ceilings for floors 3-25.

Lets take 25 floors, subtract 1 for no 13th floor. Then subtract the lobby and 2nd floor amenities areas.

22 stories x 12.5'.
Let's be generous and say the 2nd floor is also 12.5' with super fun future-proofing.
Being generous again, let's say the lobby is a sweet 20' tall. Ok, sounds fun, too.
Now for that 2nd floor of the penthouse, which lets-out to the roof however is inhabitable - let's call that 12.5', generous again.
Then the additional embellishments that rise well above the 2FLR PH, let's just call it nice 25'.

So, somewhat roughly you have. . .
345 FT to structural/ornamental top (275+12.5+20+12.5+25)
320 FT to roof of highest inhabitable space (-25)
307.5 to rooftop terrace (-12.5)

http://www.hallartsresidences.com/residences/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW-4UcQDa1n ... residences (11' floor to ceiling and the 18" of future-proofing is added to the slab to slab height)

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 16:41**

maconahey wrote:
Work Schedule: 10/16/2017 to 04/30/2019

Site Elevation: 470
Structure Height: 520
Total Height (AMSL): 990

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 04&row=123

520 feet? Downtown Dallas is finally getting some real skyscrapers now!

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 17:04**

So much action in the Arts District and on Ross. It's time for Lucy to do something...especially before Spire announces some half baked thing and screws up the market.

Posted: **02 Aug 2017 18:30**

joshua.dodd wrote:
maconahey wrote:
Work Schedule: 10/16/2017 to 04/30/2019

Site Elevation: 470
Structure Height: 520
Total Height (AMSL): 990

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 04&row=123

520 feet? Downtown Dallas is finally getting some real skyscrapers now!

LOL Only if you count cranes as skyscrapers.

Posted: **03 Aug 2017 13:11**

Well, cranes do scrape the sky. So...

Posted: **04 Aug 2017 22:26**

This site looks like it's getting ready to start construction. Everything is fenced off and lanes of traffic around it have shifted.

Posted: **14 Aug 2017 10:50**

Work finally underway on downtown Dallas condo and hotel tower
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... otel-tower

"We had some delays but have gotten our permits from the city and have started," developer Craig Hall said. "These things always take longer than you expect."

Posted: **14 Aug 2017 19:01**

They were doing a lot of site prep work over the weekend. I'll be excited to see the crane go up on this one!

Posted: **28 Aug 2017 15:10**

Any updates here? Is work really starting?

Posted: **22 Sep 2017 17:53**

This angle doesn't show much, but from what I can tell there's a decent size hole on the Ross side

Posted: **24 Sep 2017 17:43**

9/24/17

Untitled by Around My City, on Flickr

Posted: **20 Nov 2017 15:22**

Could not take a picture, but crane is up. Here we go! 8-)

Posted: **21 Nov 2017 14:23**

Edit:

Hall Residence by g bud, on Flickr

Posted: **21 Nov 2017 16:08**

g bud, I edited-in your photo. Hopefully it works for all and not just me.

Also, here's some aerial shots and another shot of the site:

https://twitter.com/AustinAdvantage/sta ... 4091810818

Posted: **21 Nov 2017 16:25**

The photo works for me. Thanks for the picture updates!

Posted: **21 Nov 2017 18:48**

Good to see this one going up!

Posted: **21 Nov 2017 22:05**

Great to see so much activity on Ross.

Posted: **23 Nov 2017 16:21**

I imagine that there will be two cranes, one for the hotel and one for the tower portion. This seems to be for the hotel, no?

Posted: **30 Dec 2017 11:51**

From this morning:

https://twitter.com/CTroyMathis/status/ ... 4333945856

Posted: **01 Jan 2018 16:33**

gbud wrote:

Edit:
Hall Residence by g bud, on Flickr

Why do we have ugly overhead wires downtown?

Posted: **01 Jan 2018 19:21**

texasstar wrote:
gbud wrote:

Edit:
Hall Residence by g bud, on Flickr

Why do we have ugly overhead wires downtown?

There are way uglier things in downtown to worry about than telephone wires... I'd rather have overheard wires than 10 story parking garages

Posted: **01 Jan 2018 22:05**

^ the soul-less parking garages are the worst. They're not even pretty to look at

Posted: **03 May 2018 20:54**

High-rise builder hopes wellness sells at downtown Dallas luxury condo

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... xury-condo

Posted: **04 May 2018 16:55**

Anyone heard what hotel flag will be on this site? I've also heard that this could be 28 floors instead of 25.

Posted: **05 May 2018 13:45**

According to them it will be 28 floors and that seems to be with tall floor plates with that raised floor system. Looks like it will be about double the height of KPMG.

http://www.hallartsresidences.com/

Posted: **05 May 2018 20:34**

texasstar wrote:
gbud wrote:

Edit:
Hall Residence by g bud, on Flickr

Why do we have ugly overhead wires downtown?

The more density starts to encroach upon this side of town, the further the overhead wires will recess.

Posted: **07 May 2018 04:16**

Tnexster wrote:According to them it will be 28 floors and that seems to be with tall floor plates with that raised floor system. Looks like it will be about double the height of KPMG.

http://www.hallartsresidences.com/

There is no 13th floor. So really 27 stories.
Emporis has it at 440 ft. (which was the FAA filing so may slightly overstate) vs 289 for KPMG. Based on CTroyMathis' helpful calculations upthread, I'm still not how they get to 440 feet. I suspect they got FAA clearance for more than they actually need.

Posted: **15 May 2018 22:10**

Finally up to ground level

Posted: **26 May 2018 14:43**

Untitled by Around My City, on Flickr

Posted: **26 May 2018 16:20**

Oh good, finally coming above ground.

Posted: **12 Jul 2018 21:51**

I believe they are working on the 2nd floor now. It should start to go up faster. That first floor is always the slowest.

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