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Yeah, Hall held onto the underground garage for decades waiting to redevelop it into what we see now. He is going to wait on the large parking lot until there is actual demand for a tower of that size. He was stubborn about that garage and is focused on more Frisco development. Uber and AT&T moving to Downtownish aren't and wasn't enough to prove a point on Downtown being an attractive location for relocation. You need something like a Boeing or Amazon who wants a significant amount of space in a signature tower.

Looking forward to seeing what Hall has up his sleeve for the next phase.

^^ Those were earlier renderings of the buildings we actually received; not the proposed 50~ story office tower across Ross.

That would be lovely^ The surface lots around the Dallas World Aquarium and those directly south of the Hall Arts Hotel are worthy of world class high rises. Just visualize how dramatically different the skyline would look with an 800ft+ skyscraper in either of those 2 locations. I really hope Hall is waiting to build something significant here, it'd be a shame to watch the last open tracts of land downtown settle with uninspired mid rise buildings.

Untitled by rlopez2011, on Flickr

Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

Pinhi wrote:Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

Ok boomer

Am I missing something here? Pretty sure Hall himself is a Boomer?

Don't engage, some things are meant to just lay there in silent reflection and just pretend it never happened.

Yeah Hall is a boomer and maybe older than that. Nothing against Hall or his development per se but it just seems that the can-do attitude of the city has changed into something else.

And yep, I'm a boomer and damn proud of it. Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.

Pinhi wrote: Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.

Hahahahaha

That's what you sounded like to your grandparents' generation when you were a smart 20-something!

Somethings never change, and this is one of them! Throughout the ages, it's repeated.

Pinhi wrote:Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

Most of these developments are speculative bubbles to begin with.

tamtagon wrote:

Pinhi wrote: Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.

Hahahahaha

That's what you sounded like to your grandparents' generation when you were a smart 20-something!

Somethings never change, and this is one of them! Throughout the ages, it's repeated.

Millennial men. That's an oxymoron.

Pinhi wrote:And yep, I'm a boomer and damn proud of it. Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.

Called it

Pinhi wrote:Yeah Hall is a boomer and maybe older than that. Nothing against Hall or his development per se but...

Pinhi wrote:Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

Pinhi wrote:Yeah Hall is a boomer and maybe older than that. Nothing against Hall or his development per se but it just seems that the can-do attitude of the city has changed into something else.

And yep, I'm a boomer and damn proud of it. Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.

Sounds like all the whiny boomers I work with that are so full of themselves that they won't realize they are holding the company/city back

DPatel304 wrote:

Pinhi wrote:Yeah Hall is a boomer and maybe older than that. Nothing against Hall or his development per se but...

Pinhi wrote:Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

Um I will take this entire project at this height any day over the dead zone that existed in the heart of our Arts District for years and years. I am hopeful we can attain an urban demand for some supertalls in our future. We are fighting headwinds from companies that would rather be in campus formats in Las Colinas and Collin County.

I like the current project.

Cbdallas wrote:Um I will take this entire project at this height any day over the dead zone that existed in the heart of our Arts District for years and years. I am hopeful we can attain an urban demand for some supertalls in our future. We are fighting headwinds from companies that would rather be in campus formats in Las Colinas and Collin County.

Agreed. Slightly smaller rival metros like Atlanta and Philly or ones with labor areas that are slightly more populous overall but very sprawly (Boston, DC, Bay Area) all do at least have one 100% location where you can tell a large share of "the talent" wants to be. DFW had Telecom Corridor but that peaked in the dotcom bubble.

Places like Kendall Square (Boston), Center City West (Philly), and Tech Square (Atlanta) have been able to harness walkability and infrastructure to appeal beyond their original primary user base. For investors that's important. And we need that signal to be in Deep Ellum/DTD/Uptown/Victory/Design District/Riverfront/Trinity Groves, rather than in Las Colinas, Legacy, Southlake, or Galleria "Midtown."

Great pictures!

Downtown Dallas’ first Arts District hotel opens


https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tel-opens/

And how much are these rooms?

Tnexster wrote:And how much are these rooms?

Hotels.com shows rooms for 2 ranging from $209 to $337/night during December and January.

Tucy wrote:

Tnexster wrote:And how much are these rooms?

Hotels.com shows rooms for 2 ranging from $209 to $337/night during December and January.

That's not outrageous, guess I would have expected higher rates.

Great photos texasstar. Your eye never disappoints, but these last two are exceptional. I love that you can create a "visual context" for these evolving projects in downtown. You make the "hodge podge" seem like it may be going somewhere.

sterling wrote:Great photos texasstar. Your eye never disappoints, but these last two are exceptional. I love that you can create a "visual context" for these evolving projects in downtown. You make the "hodge podge" seem like it may be going somewhere.

Thanks, sterling!
I've been taking pictures here since 2001, and we find ourselves in what is truly the golden age!

Here's a closer look of the base and the new sidewalks.

Those look great!

Looks very slick

Hope Hall can eventually build that third phase of this development across Ross Avenue. He sold phase one at a profit, so he should have some funds for going forward at some point.

Hall Arts Residences have started closing on sales! 49 total Units.

July 2020

1 unit sold in Month 1. (the unit Craig Hall sold to himself). (1 per month) 48 remaining (Just for the record, there was another deed recorded, but it appears to only convey parking spots and storage space; rather odd. I suspect there might be a correction coming.)

Sellout projection: 4 years, 1 month.

Tucy, can you refresh my memory which site (or sites) you use to compile data like this? I'd like to look up some other places. Also, does it go back in history or not so much?

CTroyMathis wrote:Tucy, can you refresh my memory which site (or sites) you use to compile data like this? I'd like to look up some other places. Also, does it go back in history or not so much?

Dallas County Clerk. https://dallas.tx.publicsearch.us/ It goes back quite a ways in history... it purports to go back to 1800. I haven't checked that out.

Very cool. Thank you sir!

August 2020

3 units sold in Month 2. 4 sold in two months. (2 per month) 45 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 1 month.

Tucy wrote:

CTroyMathis wrote:Tucy, can you refresh my memory which site (or sites) you use to compile data like this? I'd like to look up some other places. Also, does it go back in history or not so much?

Dallas County Clerk. https://dallas.tx.publicsearch.us/ It goes back quite a ways in history... it purports to go back to 1800. I haven't checked that out.

No way it goes back to 1800. Texas wasn't even a state- it was a rural Spanish outpost, and I doubt the few Indians who lived here kept very good records.

xen0blue wrote:

Tucy wrote:

CTroyMathis wrote:Tucy, can you refresh my memory which site (or sites) you use to compile data like this? I'd like to look up some other places. Also, does it go back in history or not so much?

Dallas County Clerk. https://dallas.tx.publicsearch.us/ It goes back quite a ways in history... it purports to go back to 1800. I haven't checked that out.

No way it goes back to 1800. Texas wasn't even a state- it was a rural Spanish outpost, and I doubt the few Indians who lived here kept very good records.

I know DCAD uses 1900 as a default year for anything before a certain date, so this could be a similar system not meant as an actual year. 1800 could make more sense for that reason, since people might see 1900 on a deed and think it was accurate.

June 1853

1 unit sold for a barrel of whiskey and two pounds of salt pork. 1 unit evacauted due to consumption. 6 units remain.

Sellout projection: 3 score, 4 months

^ LOL

exelone31 wrote:June 1853

1 unit sold for a barrel of whiskey and two pounds of salt pork. 1 unit evacauted due to consumption. 6 units remain.

Sellout projection: 3 score, 4 months

Funniest post ever!

Regarding the above, Dallas County was formed in 1846. However, the first survey (John Grigsby Survey) which encompasses the heart of Dallas, was patented with the Texas General Land Office in 1842. That survey is massive, 4,605 acres, relative to what became the standard, 640 acres. At the time it was part of the “Nacogdoches District.”

The John Neely Bryan Survey (640 acres) was patented with the State in 1854. Unless destroyed by fire at some point, there should be Dallas County Clerk records dating this far back.

September 2020

1 unit sold. 5 sold in 3 months. (1.67 per month) 44 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 6 months.

October 2020

2 units sold. 7 sold in 4 months. (1.75 per month) 42 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 4 months.

November 2020

2 units sold. 9 sold in 5 months. (1.8 per month) 40 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 4 months.

December 2020

2 units sold. 11 sold in 6 months (1.83 per month) 38 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 3 months.

The Hall Arts Residences & Dallas High Rise living get a big feature in today's NEW YORK POST. Here's the link to the story:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/25/inside-th ... to-dallas/