Future City: Telosa

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Future City: Telosa

Postby zblevinz555 » 09 Sep 2021 23:37

Billionaire looks to Texas as a possible location for proposed $400B sustainable city
Texas is on the short list for a new $400 billion smart city proposed by a former Walmart executive. Here are the details of what is being planned and what other states are in the running.

An artist rendering shows a proposed $400 billion sustainable city dubbed Telosa that could be built over 40 years and include 5 million people on 150,000 acres and roughly 234 square miles.
September 08, 2021
By Audrey Jensen
Texas is on the short list for a new $400 billion smart city proposed by a former Walmart executive.
Billionaire Marc Lore released plans Sept. 1 for Telosa, a proposed sustainable city that would consist of 150,000 acres, roughly 234 square miles, with 5 million people over 40 years. His team has not raised the money yet to execute the project, which is envisioned to yield a city with a population density comparable to San Francisco.
Lore’s proposed smart city is also looking at other states such as Arizona, Utah, Idaho and Nevada and the Appalachian region, according to the company’s website. Lore is a co-founder of Diapers.com and was president and CEO of Walmart U.S. eCommerce until January 2021. He also purchased the Minnesota Timberwolves and Minnesota Lynx with his business partner Alex Rodriguez and started and sold four companies, including Jet.com, according to the Telosa website.
The envisioned city will be built in several stages, according to Bloomberg. The first phase is targeted to be complete in 2030 and will consist of 50,000 people living in a circular neighborhood of 1,500 acres. Once populated, the city would expand the first phase by encircling it with subsequent layers of 1,500-acre neighborhoods.
Telosa would include renewable resources to power the city, autonomous cars, diverse housing options, and a 15-minute commute for people to access work, school and other amenities.
The city would be built from scratch and based on what Lore calls the Equitism model, which he hopes serves as a “blueprint for a new economic model that the world can learn and benefit from,” according to the project website.
Telosa will also be supported by community endowment, which would generate income from ground leases and appreciation to support city services like education, housing, health and jobs.
The Junto Group LLC was formed to create the city and consists of a team of urban planners, designers, historians, community engagement experts, economists and more, the project website said.
Bjarke Ingels Group was the architecture firm hired to design the project. Junto Group’s partners also include RCLCO, a real estate consulting firm; Buro Happold, a firm that provides integrated consulting engineers and advisors; and Archer, which is working to advance sustainable urban air mobility, the website said.

According to Telosa’s website, water is planned to be cleaned, stored and reused on site, and the city is envisioned to be powered by a renewable energy system, which will include metrics on preserving resources.
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Re: Future City: Telosa

Postby zblevinz555 » 09 Sep 2021 23:41

Apologize if this is already posted.

This would be crazy. I would think somewhere flat like the pan handle or somewhere near San Angelo would be ideal, but wow

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Re: Future City: Telosa

Postby potatocoins » 10 Sep 2021 08:10

I’m not sure how this would work in practice, but would love for Texas to get this one.

My first thought is that this proposed city may not be as socioeconomically diverse as cities tend to be. I sometimes feel as though Dallas definitely has a lot of segregation within the city, and this proposed city will likely take that problem to the next level. I’m sure a lot of people would like to live somewhere for that exact reason, but it just makes me feel a bit weird inside that that may be the direction we are heading in.

Perhaps I’m overthinking this though, seeing as how this thing doesn’t even exist.

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Re: Future City: Telosa

Postby zblevinz555 » 10 Sep 2021 08:19

potatocoins wrote:I’m not sure how this would work in practice, but would love for Texas to get this one.

My first thought is that this proposed city may not be as socioeconomically diverse as cities tend to be. I sometimes feel as though Dallas definitely has a lot of segregation within the city, and this proposed city will likely take that problem to the next level. I’m sure a lot of people would like to live somewhere for that exact reason, but it just makes me feel a bit weird inside that that may be the direction we are heading in.

Perhaps I’m overthinking this though, seeing as how this thing doesn’t even exist.



I hear what your saying. I think this is just scratching the surface of what our future will look like

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Re: Future City: Telosa

Postby Addison » 10 Sep 2021 09:37

This is going to have Walmart's stank on it.

Not interested.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 10 Sep 2021 10:00

Considering this would be seen as a socialist endeavor I doubt the state is ready for a project of this nature. Plus they have too much money to raise for it even to be considered a real thing. That rendering is a concept of a concept of a concept. They need startup funding to even move to a true proposal stage to any willing funders. The article is just to help them hopefully find that seed funding.
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Re: Future City: Telosa

Postby zblevinz555 » 10 Sep 2021 10:22

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Considering this would be seen as a socialist endeavor I doubt the state is ready for a project of this nature. Plus they have too much money to raise for it even to be considered a real thing. That rendering is a concept of a concept of a concept. They need startup funding to even move to a true proposal stage to any willing funders. The article is just to help them hopefully find that seed funding.


Yea good point. That endeavor would be short lived with lots of hoops to jump through. Maybe in Utah but not in TX

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Postby THRILLHO » 10 Sep 2021 12:38

This has about the same chance of happening as the city of EPCOT did. Zero.

zblevinz555 wrote:Telosa would include renewable resources to power the city, autonomous cars, diverse housing options, and a 15-minute commute for people to access work, school and other amenities.

I dunno, how about spending 400B improving all these aspects for one city that already exists instead of wasting it on what would inevitably become a rotting abandoned husk of a couple unfinished buildings and cracked roadways in the middle of nowhere.

Despite Dallas's myth making of being "the city with no logical reason for existing," every city we have today grew into a city for a reason, and every small town that withered away and disappeared instead of growing did so for a reason. You can't spring an urban metropolis from the ground. In fact you shouldn't, when that money would better be spent improving lives already being lived.

Even if this thing could get the money to start building, it would become a dystopian nightmare of intense inequality faster than the novelty-sized scissors can cut the opening ribbon. The people most able to uproot their lives to move to a place in the middle of nowhere with no clear economic reason are those already financially privileged enough to do so.

The idea that they hope to have 50,000 residents in the next 10-20 years is laughable, to say nothing of 5 million within 40-50 years.

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Postby Addison » 10 Sep 2021 12:50

THRILLHO wrote:I dunno, how about spending 400B improving all these aspects for one city that already exists instead of wasting it on what would inevitably become a rotting abandoned husk of a couple unfinished buildings and cracked roadways in the middle of nowhere.


I think you know the answer to that.

Let's say, for example, we thought it would be a good idea if someone spent $400B to make Dallas into a more urban city.

It's a good idea in theory. The problem is, the people who can pool that amount of money together aren't trying to spend that much out of the goodness of their hearts. After all, the expectation is that the citizens of Dallas (via. the City of Dallas government) will have full ownership as well as input on how that money gets spent. Instead, the people who could come up with that much money to spend will not only want to make a return on their initial invevstment, but also continue making a profit from it indefinitely. They can't do that if they don't own the stuff they paid for.

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Re: Future City: Telosa

Postby Pinhi » 10 Sep 2021 18:04

"The city would be built from scratch and based on what Lore calls the Equitism model, which he hopes serves as a “blueprint for a new economic model that the world can learn and benefit from,” according to the project website" What the hell is "equitism" I know exactly what it is.

Nope not interested. Want nothing to do with anything related to equity. I'm all for equality - equality of opportunity but not equality of outcomes. That's what equity or "equitism" is. The word sounds good but it's designed to fool people.

This is just another socialist redistribution scheme based on the New world order and the global socialism push. Sometimes called "woke" capitalism or "stakeholder" capitalism which is all a bunch of bologna.

No thanks, and don't bring it to Texas. Individualism over collectivism - The Texas way.

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Postby trueicon » 10 Sep 2021 21:43

THRILLHO wrote:This has about the same chance of happening as the city of EPCOT did. Zero.


Well, Epcot kind of did happen as a master planned community called Celebration. It was Disney developed land and eventually spun off into a self-governing entity. Far different from Walt's vision, but it does have live, work, and play elements.

I think lots of us take for granted that cities we know of, certainly Dallas, have always existed. But if you go back far enough, any modern American city had a visionary person who I'm sure many people brushed off as crazy when they detailed their plans for a city where one didn't exist.

In Texas, the place for something like this is in Far West Texas. There was a failed master planned community just west of the Guadalupe Mountains called Paulville that I think would be perfect for something like this. It was originally imagined as a place for Ron Paul supporters to live out their libertarian ideas. It of course never happened, and the land is vacant.

With the burgeoning space community in nearby Van Horn and the beautiful backdrop of the mountains, this would really be something interesting even if it only grew into a fraction of the size imagined.

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Postby zaphod » 11 Sep 2021 11:34

I think the solution is to first really think how cities work. Also the business side, that top down model where developers representing institutional investors identify sites and create a portfolio of opportunities, where building a city or neighborhood is low priority.

What I'd do is start my utopia on paper. Fully understand and then "hack" the way laws surrounding incorporation, etc work in this state or any other where the city is to go. And take into consideration the dynamics of metro area growth. The current system seems to be > county builds basic infrastructure > master planned community developer plops a gated community with private amenity features > developer and politically conservative affluent residents either seek annexation, incorporation, or increasingly the creation of MUD's and ESD's as a public-in-name-only taxing unit for the provision of services chiefly for the benefit of the residents of this private community. Then after many decades, low income housing fills in the cracks (apartment complexes, starter homes, lube shops, strip malls with nail salons) and at some people maybe these people get enough representation they can demand more inclusive improvements. By that time of course the development wave has moved on to new greenfield locations.

If had 400 Billion to build a equitable city then what I'd do is get incorporated by paying a few people to live on my land and vote for my project.

Then I'd use some of that that 400B money I had to fund municipal services as a charity - a professional fire department, a police department, infrastructure, parks, etc. Abusing flagpole annexation and my riches to build water lines and other things to stake my claim and expand my ETJ, I'd take over as much territory as possible if for no other reason than to block off others. Then I'd do everything I could legally to keep master planned community developers out. Not allow MUD's. Because they aren't my ideal constituency or my ideal business partner. Thus what would happen is smaller scale development would fill in the cracks. And eventually you'd have a critical mass of it where the city generates its own tax revenue. Now you have this working system where citizens have control of what it looks like and how it runs.

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Re: Future City: Telosa

Postby maconahey » 09 Oct 2021 15:47

Thought this had some interesting insight to the smart city concept:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIl3VRGl-w

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Re: Future City: Telosa

Postby itsjrd1964 » 09 Oct 2021 16:01

Mods: Shouldn't this be in 1 of the Texas sections? It's not something that will be in the DFW metro vicinity.