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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby AMA » 23 Aug 2021 17:23

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
potatocoins wrote:I drove through Deep Ellum this past Sunday around 1pm and the place was bustling! I really hope things continue on this trajectory and it becomes a safe and popular destination for people to hang out.


It's pretty safe.



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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Kelley USA » 20 Sep 2021 12:13

Anyone else getting concerned with the rising crime in Deep Ellum? Just over the past few weeks there have been multiple fatalities and nearly 10 people shot. I personally would not go down there at night, and I have a number of friends that feel the same way. What in the world is going on? I heard the council member for that district on the news last night talking about possibly closing several streets to vehicle traffic, and trying to come up with other solutions to curb the violence.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 20 Sep 2021 12:41

Phase 2 of Standard City of Dallas operating procedures. Ignore any problems until they make front page news, then go full-scale stormtrooper mode and drive all the legitimate customers and businesses away so there's nobody left to complain. Repeat every 10-15 years as necessary.

Notice how until last night the city's big emphasis on Deep Ellum has been on cops writing tickets for noise in an entertainment district known for it's live music?

The bad guys are on foot. How is closing the streets going to change anything? All that does is make it harder for money-spending customers.

There really are two Deep Ellums now. During the day it's as safe and family friendly as Disney World. Around 9-10pm theirs a shift change, and the rougher elements start moving in, especially around a few particular areas. After midnight even I stay off the streets.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby R1070 » 20 Sep 2021 13:00

The streets should be closed..at least Main and Elm. There needs to be a zero tolerance enforced within the designated area. Identify problem zones and increase police and security there.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby potatocoins » 20 Sep 2021 13:28

Hannibal Lecter wrote:The bad guys are on foot. How is closing the streets going to change anything? All that does is make it harder for money-spending customers.


Would closing the streets make it easier to police the area?

It'll make it harder for people to drive within Deep Ellum on Fri/Sat nights, but how many people are doing that right now? I'm sure people who are advocating to shut the streets down only want to do so on the weekends, meaning the rest of the week it'll still be convenient for people to drive directly to places.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby exelone31 » 20 Sep 2021 14:25

Are there still motorized scooters down there? Those seem to be an easy scapegoat. Get rid of the scooters, then people will stop shooting each other.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby rono3849 » 20 Sep 2021 14:36

Kelley USA wrote:Anyone else getting concerned with the rising crime in Deep Ellum? Just over the past few weeks there have been multiple fatalities and nearly 10 people shot. I personally would not go down there at night, and I have a number of friends that feel the same way. What in the world is going on? I heard the council member for that district on the news last night talking about possibly closing several streets to vehicle traffic, and trying to come up with other solutions to curb the violence.


Sadly, this kind of violence is swamping urban America. Sixth Street in Austin has had issues, while many other cities are overwhelmed with random shoot outs between thugs & gang members. This kind of violence will certainly persuade people not to go to areas where random gun fights & crime are pervasive. Deep Ellum will become an abandoned portion of the city unless the police & city officials clamp down on the perpetrators, who are going into this area with malicious behavior in mind.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby R1070 » 20 Sep 2021 15:15

Yea, it’s definitely not just a Dallas issue.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 20 Sep 2021 16:25

Thanks Obama

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Jbarn » 20 Sep 2021 19:34

Is the underage curfew still in place? If not, they might need to consider that again as just one part of a bigger plan. If they don’t move quickly, I foresee Deep Ellum collapsing, again. It’s really a shame, as it has so much potential and is really a unique area that most cities would love to have.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 20 Sep 2021 22:25

How do New Orleans police handle the french quarter crime problems? As long as Deep Ellum remains the only party scene in North Texas, the crowds need the same policing protection approach found in other more famous party scenes.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Mr. Amsterdam » 21 Sep 2021 04:22

Kelley USA wrote:Anyone else getting concerned with the rising crime in Deep Ellum? Just over the past few weeks there have been multiple fatalities and nearly 10 people shot. I personally would not go down there at night, and I have a number of friends that feel the same way. What in the world is going on? I heard the council member for that district on the news last night talking about possibly closing several streets to vehicle traffic, and trying to come up with other solutions to curb the violence.


My sibling lives there currently and she does not go out past 11PM. It sounds like an awful area to live in, especially if you're female. Thank God she has a dog.
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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby eburress » 21 Sep 2021 09:18

Mr. Amsterdam wrote:
Kelley USA wrote:Anyone else getting concerned with the rising crime in Deep Ellum? Just over the past few weeks there have been multiple fatalities and nearly 10 people shot. I personally would not go down there at night, and I have a number of friends that feel the same way. What in the world is going on? I heard the council member for that district on the news last night talking about possibly closing several streets to vehicle traffic, and trying to come up with other solutions to curb the violence.


My sibling lives there currently and she does not go out past 11PM. It sounds like an awful area to live in, especially if you're female. Thank God she has a dog.


Hopefully she's packing too.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby st0760 » 21 Sep 2021 14:20

Not sure it would work here, but they could maybe try something like Beale Street in Memphis. They were having similar issues and started charging a nominal ($5ish) cover to enter the area through security checkpoints. Seems like that would cut down on the loitering crowd / minors who seem to be causing most of the violence.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby homeworld1031tx » 21 Sep 2021 14:26

st0760 wrote:Not sure it would work here, but they could maybe try something like Beale Street in Memphis. They were having similar issues and started charging a nominal ($5ish) cover to enter the area through security checkpoints. Seems like that would cut down on the loitering crowd / minors who seem to be causing most of the violence.


Man this would be amazing if they could figure out a proper way to do this. But my fear is that it requires setting up some sort of wall around the entire area.

Blocking off the street would mean you can't have people showboating in their cars, which would be a big plus. I heard that about a decade ago, DPD used to issue tickets to any cars that were making laps of the area.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby exelone31 » 21 Sep 2021 14:34

Does 6th Street have these problems? I haven't been down to 6th in quite a while, so I know it's not THE only place to hang in Austin, but I feel like it is similar.

Just seems weird to me the Deep Ellum has had these kind of problems in two different iterations decades apart.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 21 Sep 2021 16:59

Its called "cruising" and the city cracks down on it all he time in areas like this and I would happily support cutting down on cruising as another deterrent if its actually a problem. The question is always how much police presence is too much and how much is too little. Too much and you run off even good clientele who don't want to feel like they are being babysat. Too little and you get what we have now children acting a fool without any care in the world.

What's sad is this is also the businesses owners faults they are serving some type of customer that is attracting some of this element consistently. If you want your bar to survive you kick out the riff raff, trouble makers and coordinate with your fellow bars/business owners to show intolerance to stupid behavior. When it comes to the street and the public space aka sidewalk you work with the police to call it out every single time some rando is acting a fool in front of your business. Even the gay bars have code words for telling each other TABC is nearby. Course the gay bars also have private security...

Deep Ellum already has a community association that is super active, what do they say is the issue? I trust them to have some reasonable idea what's not working.
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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby undefinedprocess » 23 Sep 2021 12:17

I have no clue how to solve the issue because a lot of times, it's really just some stupid argument transpiring into a shootout. Two dudes arguing about some petty shit, one pulls out a gun and starts dumping. Ego hurt or fighting over a woman, same shit happens in Austin when I'm down there.

Don't know how to fix it and know it's more complicated than what I said above, but shit, I hope it's fixed soon. I'd hate to see Deep Ellum die more than just about anything else.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby CTroyMathis » 23 Oct 2021 12:51

Looks like the building at 2800 Taylor is targeted for an 8-story residential building (5 over 3). Assuming that's the actual address of the project and not the one filed, which is (lol) where Omniplan is located.

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2022003575

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Project Name:
    2800 Taylor
Project Number:
    TABS2022003575
Facility Name:
    2800 Taylor
Location Address:
    1845 Woodall Rodgers Freeway Suite 1600
    Dallas, TX 75201
Location County:
    Dallas

Start Date:
    1/10/2022
Completion Date:
    3/29/2024
Estimated Cost:
    $60,000,000
Type of Work:
    New Construction
Type of Funds:
    This project is privately funded, on private land for private use.
Scope of Work:
    CONSTRUCTION OF A FIVE-STORY WOOD BUILDING OVER A THREE STORY CONCRETE PODIUM PLUS ONE LEVEL BELOW GRADE CONSISTING OF RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCIES.
Square Footage:
    226,356 ft 2


Team:
https://www.stillwatercap.com/properties/
https://www.omniplan.com/work/index.html

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby zaphod » 23 Oct 2021 13:00

Google streetview going back to the year 2007 shows 2800 Taylor being occupied by a printing company.

This just seems like the kind of place you'd expect a midrise residential building to pop up, so it seems plausible.



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