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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tnexster » 17 Jul 2020 13:54

I've seen some cities do some innovative things to help retail expand it's footprint during pandemic. Most of that means closing streets to cars and expanding the sideway experience to the full street. Basically creates a completely outdoor shopping experience and for restaurants it expands table options and allows for more effective socially distant dining. Granted, it could be hot here but the evenings would be okay.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby emmasensei » 17 Jul 2020 15:09

It's tough. In my opinion, there's SO much construction chaos in such a small area that even if the streets were closed to traffic (which I'm all for), walking around Knox is pretty unpleasant right now. At this point, I'm just hoping the end of COVID dovetails with the completion of some of these projects, and we can start fresh.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really sad about Knox getting hammered, but I also think a lot of the suburban mall chain stores felt dated and were just clinging to life. Spots like Kate Spade and Z Gallerie are a lot less relevant/stylish than they were in the early 2000s.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby TNWE » 17 Jul 2020 16:13

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Covid has been hard on retail.


You can thank the arbitrary restrictions early on that permitted hundreds of shoppers to cram into big-box stores selling "essential" goods while closing boutique/specialty stores that average, what, 5 customers at any given time? It's clear that a lot of people went to "essential" businesses to have an excuse to get out of the house, and of course big box retailers like Walmart and Target were still able to sell "non-essential" items that people would otherwise buy at a shop on Knox Street or any of the other urban retail centers.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 18 Jul 2020 12:39

Also look at what Bishop Arts did comparison to other shopping areas. As soon as they could be permitted they had street side setups that made Bishop Arts look like a year around street festival selling food and retail items without a hesitation to if it would work. Then you look at places like Knox where all the streets are major pass through's for traffic from 75 to Uptown to Highland Park etc so taking up outside spaces becomes impossible and somewhat dangerous since the sidewalks are already narrow and there is limited street parking to take even temporarily for such setups. I wonder who is truly doing worse? Is it the boutique shopping area not on a major freeway or is it the shopping and dinning area that has taken to the streets.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby electricron » 19 Jul 2020 09:17

I have no idea who is actually doing better, small shops in large shopping districts or large stand alone stores. Both attract their own style of shoppers.
In Texas during the hot and humid summer season, outdoor shopping will never be popular. We need air conditioning. That's why indoor malls became popular in the first place, and why all inclusive big box stores are today. Air conditioning is important.

The recent trend for outdoor shopping internationally - especially in Europe where it never disappeared because air conditioning was not needed - in my humble opinion is the result of non smoking laws which chased the smokers outside. That's the main reason why malls are not as popular today. The shopping sprees lasting more than an hour are becoming more and more infrequent, as shoppers desiring to get it over with quickly has increased. That's the major reason why all inclusive big box store4s have become more popular - speed.

There will always be shoppers desiring hours of fun and access to the outdoors. Whichever way you prefer to shop, I hope your town or city is large enough to provide them.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby TNWE » 20 Jul 2020 11:38

electricron wrote:The recent trend for outdoor shopping internationally - especially in Europe where it never disappeared because air conditioning was not needed - in my humble opinion is the result of non smoking laws which chased the smokers outside. That's the main reason why malls are not as popular today. The shopping sprees lasting more than an hour are becoming more and more infrequent, as shoppers desiring to get it over with quickly has increased. That's the major reason why all inclusive big box stores have become more popular - speed.

There will always be shoppers desiring hours of fun and access to the outdoors. Whichever way you prefer to shop, I hope your town or city is large enough to provide them.


Europe definitely has more outdoor shopping, both in the sense of traditional street markets which never went away, as well as pedestrianized city centers where a few blocks of "roads" (I use quotes because the roads were one lane about 6 feet wide.) have been closed off to cars or restricted to only allow access outside of shopping hours for truck deliveries, etc. Closing those streets to car traffic had very minor impact on traffic because they weren't major thoroughfares. Also, in most cities outside of London/Paris, those outdoor shopping areas also featured *huge* car parks, the idea being that people still drive into the city and park at the edge of the pedestrianized area, then walk to the various stores to do their shopping (the walk being tolerable as it doesn't reach 100 on a regular basis in Europe).

Knox is a fairly important arterial - closing it or Cole/McKinney off in favor of outdoor shopping isn't feasible and such a move would no doubt impact where the high net worth shopper that Knox street appeals to goes to get their cutlery or iPhones or kids toys.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 11 Sep 2020 14:22

The new RH store appears to be topped out. They seem to be starting an above ground parking garage in back.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 11 Sep 2020 14:27

Weirs Plaza is above ground level now. They have installed the framing required to rebuild the old Highland Park Pharmacy building.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby jegchachi » 12 Sep 2020 08:04

Some additional update pics.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby eburress » 12 Sep 2020 09:56

LongonBigD wrote:The new RH store appears to be topped out. They seem to be starting an above ground parking garage in back.


I haven't been paying close attention to RH's plans for a hotel so this may be irrelevant, but I wonder if the garage will be built in a way that it can potentially accommodate a future hotel structure above.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby homeworld1031tx » 13 Sep 2020 00:02

jegchachi wrote:Some additional update pics.


Great pics, thanks for posting. My main take away from these is how great 75 is here. I wish all highways around the urban core were trenched in such a manner. From this vantage point you truly would not know it was there if you didn't already know what to look for.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby eburress » 13 Sep 2020 22:58

You're right!. From this perspective you'd never know there was a freeway going through there!

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 02 Oct 2020 10:49

Parking garage going up behind new RH (in the background).

It appears to be pre-fab parts and should go up very quickly. I did notice that the tops of the outer sections appear to have detailing (sorta like crown molding). I found that amusing, but didn’t take pics.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby kingpin » 10 Jan 2021 12:46

Weir's 1/10/2021

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby kingpin » 10 Jan 2021 12:54

RH

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby kingpin » 11 Jan 2021 14:20

LongonBigD wrote:This project (mid-rise apt building at NE corner of McKinney and Hester) has a name (vidorra McKinney Avenue) and a new look. I seem to remember the original renderings were mostly red brick. Sorry for the picture quality.

At least the parking stayed underground and beside the alley. This one remains more pedestrian friendly than the original proposal with its 6-7 story garage base.



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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby CTroyMathis » 13 Jan 2021 19:46

Thanks for all the photos above, kingpin.

Looks like a furniture store is at least planning to go in at the 4400 block of McKinney. New build construction later this year with an opening the following Spring perhaps. I'll go ahead and make a reasonable guess the file might mean Blu Dot (vice Blue) and their link is below (not w/Dallas location, just visuals of what their locations look like).

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2021007438
Blu Dot: https://www.bludot.com/storelocator/index/index/
Location: https://goo.gl/maps/CTggcjprZP1wZAAX6

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby R1070 » 13 Jan 2021 20:22

Yep. Definitely that store going in.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LPG » 13 Jan 2021 20:50

Village Baking is opening a location at the old Parachute/Outdoor Voices space at 4539 Travis. Presumably, the concept would be quite similar to Boulangerie.

Great addition to the neighborhood, even if that corner is incredibly underutilized. Curious as to the length of their lease.

https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/rest ... ox-travis/

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Kelley USA » 14 Jan 2021 12:04

Looks like Verizon is also coming to Knox... Taking over the Froggies space next to where Lovesac is going.

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2021007496

https://shopcompanies.com/sites/default ... 1603122147

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby emmasensei » 14 Jan 2021 12:36

Village Bakery is already open; I went today and it was jumping. This area will be really great once the construction is over.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby eburress » 14 Jan 2021 12:50

This has to be the epicenter of French cuisine in Dallas, with Up on Knox, Toulouse, Le Bilboquet, Grange Hall, and now Village Bakery all in the same stretch of Knox/Travis.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tnexster » 14 Jan 2021 12:56

How is Village Bakery?

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 14 Jan 2021 13:22

Kelley USA wrote:Looks like Verizon is also coming to Knox... Taking over the Froggies space next to where Lovesac is going.


Nice find. Thank you, but.....yuck. Really A Verizon store on Knox? And I’m a customer.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby R1070 » 14 Jan 2021 14:18

Seems like a waste of good retail space to have a Verizon store on that street.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby DPatel304 » 14 Jan 2021 14:26

LongonBigD wrote:Nice find. Thank you, but.....yuck. Really A Verizon store on Knox? And I’m a customer.


That was my first reaction as well, but perhaps this is simply a sign of a maturing neighborhood? The area is getting a business that will service people living in the immediate area.

At least they aren't building a standalone suburban monstrosity, like some of the bigger chains tend to do.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Kelley USA » 14 Jan 2021 15:55

I am curious as to what type of Verizon store this might be... The estimated cost is $900,000, which seems high for a generic Verizon store build-out.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Jan 2021 16:27

Well they are down the street from Apple Store Knox. Apple and Verizon are buddies on 5G iPhones right now. AT&Ts 5G isn't as prolific so Apple and Verizon are pushing the latest iPhone. Maybe Verizon is wanting to do something unique here? Mind you I would wonder why here and not in some place like NorthPark where they could be just as close to a Apple store demographic and service area.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby OrangeMike » 14 Jan 2021 17:06

DPatel304 wrote:At least they aren't building a standalone suburban monstrosity, like some of the bigger chains tend to do.


Like Verizon did at Lemmon and Oak Lawn when the Avon apartments were torn down for the parking lot of their ugly grey box on the corner. So, yes, it is a small improvement that they will be using an existing storefront for a Knox location.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 14 Jan 2021 21:15

DPatel304 wrote:
LongonBigD wrote:Nice find. Thank you, but.....yuck. Really A Verizon store on Knox? And I’m a customer.


That was my first reaction as well, but perhaps this is simply a sign of a maturing neighborhood? The area is getting a business that will service people living in the immediate area.

At least they aren't building a standalone suburban monstrosity, like some of the bigger chains tend to do.


There are plenty of empty mattress stores here that would be perfect for Verizon. This is a mature neighborhood, has been for decades - retail store wise. This is lazy marketing team I/m/o.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tnexster » 15 Jan 2021 10:58

emmasensei wrote:Village Bakery is already open; I went today and it was jumping. This area will be really great once the construction is over.


Didn't see this DMN link posted so dropping it here.

Bread shop Village Baking Co. opens second location in Dallas

https://www.dallasnews.com/food/restaur ... land-park/


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