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East Quarter: ~24 Building Redevelopment

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 03 Feb 2020 14:08

Mr. Amsterdam wrote:Don't tell me the whole bottom half is a parking garage...


No, the bottom half is retail and office space in addition to a garage. The tower perched on top is residential. I am sure there is lots of extra parking in this project though for them to offer to the smaller properties they have nearby.
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Re: East Quarter: ~24 Building Redevelopment

Postby homeworld1031tx » 03 Feb 2020 14:10

I don't recall ever seeing a rendering for that southern face of the building, but wouldn't it be hilarious if they revised the design to spite the townhome owners after they tried their nimby campaign.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 03 Feb 2020 14:13

They could do themselves a favor if they at least covered some of the garage facing side in greenery. Dallas developers. With everything in EQ being one and two stories this project will stick out and a giant green wall with the EQ logo could be a great promotional tool. Afterall they are marketing to millennial companies and residents.
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Postby exelone31 » 03 Feb 2020 14:45

Really excited with what's going on in the East Quarter. This new development seems to be really solid, and that rendering doesn't even have Harwood Park in it either, which I have to imagine will be taking shape by the time the larger building is complete.

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Postby eburress » 03 Feb 2020 14:51

The parking was intentionally built above ground so it could someday be converted to office/residential. You can see it on the left-hand side of that rendering, yes, facing those townhomes.

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Postby Tnexster » 03 Feb 2020 15:55

eburress wrote:The parking was intentionally built above ground so it could someday be converted to office/residential. You can see it on the left-hand side of that rendering, yes, facing those townhomes.


Too bad they don't appear to have plans to at least glass the garage.

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Postby Hannibal Lecter » 03 Feb 2020 16:42

jetnd87 wrote:Sure looks like a pedestrian walkway between the new building and that triangular building where Nick Badovinus is putting in his new restaurant.


Ironically, since they re-built Caesar Chavez the city has prohibited pedestrian crossing across it on the south side of Commerce. For months they also closed the sidewalks on the north size for construction, which actually made it illegal to cross Caesar Chavez at all at that intersection during that time.

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Postby Matt777 » 03 Feb 2020 18:32

I wonder how feasible it would be to turn all of Jackson into a pedestrian walkway, now that part of it at AT&T is pedestrian only now. Maybe with small slivers of 1 lane limited auto access for the buildings that absolutely need it (ie: the Statler).

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Postby eburress » 04 Feb 2020 07:05

Tnexster wrote:
eburress wrote:The parking was intentionally built above ground so it could someday be converted to office/residential. You can see it on the left-hand side of that rendering, yes, facing those townhomes.


Too bad they don't appear to have plans to at least glass the garage.


That seems odd to me too.

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Postby muncien » 04 Feb 2020 09:31

Matt777 wrote:I wonder how feasible it would be to turn all of Jackson into a pedestrian walkway, now that part of it at AT&T is pedestrian only now. Maybe with small slivers of 1 lane limited auto access for the buildings that absolutely need it (ie: the Statler).


Yes ^^^^ Totally.
This was always one of my wish list items way back when living at DPL.
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Postby soco » 04 Feb 2020 11:56

This was basically one of my projects in my former role. Instead of making Jackson a dedicated pedestrian street it was adding in bike lanes that would connect Deep Ellum, through downtown, to the Trinity. Both the Discovery District and East Quarter are incorporating elements of that concept. On Jackson between Browder and Ervay you will see an eight to ten foot area striped off on the north side of the street where people are parking. That is a placeholder for a two-way bike lane. Unless plans have changed, East Quarter should be designing a two-way bike lane in front of their new high-rise development. Where the right turn from Cesar Chavez to Commerce has been rebuilt you may notice a pathway through it. That is for the future bike lane. Heading east it would just be a matter of rededicated a lane on Commerce for the two-way bike lanes. Hopefully this will still all happen.

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Postby Hannibal Lecter » 04 Feb 2020 12:20

^ The plan for bike lanes on Commerce through Deep Ellum was eliminated due to neighborhood opposition. At the last neighborhood meeting to discuss the proposals for the lanes the only support came from bikers from outside the neighborhood. Not one property owner, business owner, or resident supported them.

I think Scott Rohrman, head of 42 Real Estate, put it best: They'd accept the bike lanes as long as they didn't require giving up any on-street parking. But they'd fight to death if they meant losing even one parking space.

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Postby muncien » 04 Feb 2020 12:45

Hannibal Lecter wrote:^ The plan for bike lanes on Commerce through Deep Ellum was eliminated due to neighborhood opposition. At the last neighborhood meeting to discuss the proposals for the lanes the only support came from bikers from outside the neighborhood. Not one property owner, business owner, or resident supported them.

I think Scott Rohrman, head of 42 Real Estate, put it best: They'd accept the bike lanes as long as they didn't require giving up any on-street parking. But they'd fight to death if they meant losing even one parking space.


I tend to agree about the parking... But, the width of Commerce itself is excessive; Almost to the point that it's difficult to parallel park at times when vehicles come flying down that street. Uncle Ubers is one of my main reasons for visiting DE, but that street is a dangerous mess. It would seem that removing a traffic lane, and using it for a bike lane would help on both fronts. Was that a viable option?
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Postby soco » 04 Feb 2020 13:16

Hannibal Lecter wrote:^ The plan for bike lanes on Commerce through Deep Ellum was eliminated due to neighborhood opposition. At the last neighborhood meeting to discuss the proposals for the lanes the only support came from bikers from outside the neighborhood. Not one property owner, business owner, or resident supported them.

I think Scott Rohrman, head of 42 Real Estate, put it best: They'd accept the bike lanes as long as they didn't require giving up any on-street parking. But they'd fight to death if they meant losing even one parking space.


I know. That was my project and I know why the bike lanes on Commerce through Deep Ellum were removed. The section of Commerce I am referring to is from Cesar Chavez to Good Latimer. There is ample room for bike lanes and on-street parking.

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Postby Hannibal Lecter » 04 Feb 2020 14:09

muncien wrote:I tend to agree about the parking... But, the width of Commerce itself is excessive; Almost to the point that it's difficult to parallel park at times when vehicles come flying down that street. Uncle Ubers is one of my main reasons for visiting DE, but that street is a dangerous mess. It would seem that removing a traffic lane, and using it for a bike lane would help on both fronts. Was that a viable option?


The plan is to make Commerce and Elm both two-way streets, with one lane of traffic each way. Between delivery trucks, Uber/Lyft, food delivery pick-ups, bands loading/unloading their equipment, bus stops, beer bikes, emergency vehicles, people trying to parallel park for the first time in 20 years and lanes closed for construction the streets will be gridlocked for much of the day. Elm already gets blocked at times with cars/trucks parked side-by-side blocking both lanes.

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Postby Cbdallas » 04 Feb 2020 14:36

I drove through area on last Sunday before the Super Bowl and there were lots of people out but going up Commerce and down Elm and back up Main were easy and not a big deal. I don't see traffic as a problem but more of a solution to slow down vehicles and make the urban area more pedestrian oriented and get people eventually onto the Rail lines.

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Postby muncien » 04 Feb 2020 15:44

Hannibal Lecter wrote:
muncien wrote:I tend to agree about the parking... But, the width of Commerce itself is excessive; Almost to the point that it's difficult to parallel park at times when vehicles come flying down that street. Uncle Ubers is one of my main reasons for visiting DE, but that street is a dangerous mess. It would seem that removing a traffic lane, and using it for a bike lane would help on both fronts. Was that a viable option?


The plan is to make Commerce and Elm both two-way streets, with one lane of traffic each way. Between delivery trucks, Uber/Lyft, food delivery pick-ups, bands loading/unloading their equipment, bus stops, beer bikes, emergency vehicles, people trying to parallel park for the first time in 20 years and lanes closed for construction the streets will be gridlocked for much of the day. Elm already gets blocked at times with cars/trucks parked side-by-side blocking both lanes.


I'm not terribly convinced that converting one-way to two-way streets is the best idea. I know people will say 'study after study says....', but IMO as a pedestrian, crossing a one-way street from a directional standpoint is actually easier than a two way street. The problem is SPEED of traffic. Yes, going two-way will slow down traffic, but I don't believe it is the only (or best) way to do so. I would think that Commerce could easily split a lane into two bike lanes (outside of the parallel parked cars), as well as some other traffic calming measures, and meet the needs of Peds, Bikers, Drivers, and Parkers, to a better degree. Hopefully, this hasn't been given up on completely.
There is also opportunity to convert an alley (such as 'Clover St') into a bikeway of sorts. But that seems like more work. IDK
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Postby Hannibal Lecter » 04 Feb 2020 15:59

Cbdallas wrote:I drove through area on last Sunday before the Super Bowl and there were lots of people out but going up Commerce and down Elm and back up Main were easy and not a big deal. I don't see traffic as a problem but more of a solution to slow down vehicles and make the urban area more pedestrian oriented and get people eventually onto the Rail lines.


DE was actually pretty dead on SB Sunday. We were hanging out at the Deep Ellum Art Company. Despite the perfect weather there were never more than 6-8 other folks there at the same time. The previous Sunday the place was packed.

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Postby Hannibal Lecter » 04 Feb 2020 16:13

muncien wrote:There is also opportunity to convert an alley (such as 'Clover St') into a bikeway of sorts. But that seems like more work. IDK

I've thought about that for Clover, but unfortunately it just doesn't work.

Clover is five blocks long, dead-ending into minor streets at either end. Basically it goes from nowhere to nowhere. You'ld have to put stop signs at every cross street. Some of them have limited visibility, and knowing how your average cyclist is about stop signs you're going to have blood on the street. And you would have to leave it open to regular traffic. Clover is a street, not an alley. It's the only or primary access to a number of businesses and residences, for example Deep Ellum Distillery and truck access to the Bomb Factory.

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Postby exelone31 » 24 Feb 2020 07:00

cyklopz wrote:Virtually tour Blockhouse https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=VSiaxr66M6K


Thanks for sharing! That roof deck view is pretty, pretty nice.

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Postby DPatel304 » 01 Mar 2020 22:37

Thanks for all the pictures! I'm excited to see some of these new towers start to gain some height!

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Postby exelone31 » 02 Mar 2020 08:56

Great photos! I am so excited about this development, and the way it is being approached in a pretty holistic manner. There are so many great old buildings that will be stitched together here.

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Postby homeworld1031tx » 02 Mar 2020 10:25

Thanks for the pictures thrillhouse! Lol @ your username too. We should play some bonestorm some time.

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Postby THRILLHO » 31 Mar 2020 10:44

Flashback Dallas had a lovely post about the Magnolia Gas Station recently:
https://flashbackdallas.com/2020/03/28/magnolia-gas-station-no-110-1920/

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Postby Warrior2015 » 23 Apr 2020 11:28

Progress on the 300 pearl building. Lots of activity going on this morning as of 4/23/2020
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Postby Tnexster » 18 May 2020 16:35

Already making an impact, such a big change for this area.

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Postby dfwcre8tive » 22 May 2020 23:52

exelone31 wrote:
eburress wrote:That's a nice view!

On a somewhat related note, with the rest of the EQ getting spruced up, I wonder if we'll ever see Salazar Center remove the ugly glass skin which was added back in the '80s. It wasn't ever the prettiest building, but what we have now is hard to look at.

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Wow, I had no idea that building had been glassed over. It's definitely got the retro blue-blockers kind of vibe to it right now haha.


Speaking of a bland renovation, the 1980s really killed this building. I'm sure that elevator marble is under the "new" skin.

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Postby Tnexster » 23 May 2020 15:43

Great pics! Love the office.

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Postby mdg109 » 24 May 2020 17:03

Love the office view. I don't think I've ever seen the photos of the parking lots next to the Majestic occupied.


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