Harwood Int'l District: Harwood No. 11 (The Forum)

Mr. Amsterdam · Post by **Mr. Amsterdam** » 25 Dec 2019 00:36

clcrash19 wrote:https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... wn-dallas/

15 levels of parking.....my god

hjkll · Post by **hjkll** » 25 Dec 2019 13:17

Can't wait for renderings.

I45Tex · Post by **I45Tex** » 25 Dec 2019 20:43

I45Tex · Post by **I45Tex** » 25 Dec 2019 20:50

And just for fun:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3WN5Z2FWmVQ

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 27 Dec 2019 00:07

I45Tex wrote:A Dallas S&L-era businessman used to (during the 1980s) own the two 19-story valet-only decks at Marina City in Chicago. Cylindrical.

Harwood's super likely to use blue glass to wrap the new one.

Are these North Texas' tallest decks?

(15) https://www.emporis.com/buildings/17070 ... rth-tx-usa

(13) https://www.emporis.com/buildings/19662 ... las-tx-usa

The number of floors of parking in some other Texan garages:

(17) 609 Main integrated podium, downtown Houston

609 Main does not have a 17-level parking garage in its podium. It’s only 11.

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 27 Dec 2019 13:38

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Bisnow has a better article as usual...https://www.bisnow.com/dallas-ft-worth/ ... rict-99499

Development plans filed with the city show Harwood No. 12 includes a build-to-suit 40-story office tower on a 1.27-acre site off Caroline Street in Dallas and bordered by Payne, North Akard and Field streets.

The development includes parking, an observation deck/sky lounge and 498K SF of developed office, retail and restaurant space.

Other planned amenities include curated gardens and a 21K SF amenity deck complete with fitness and conference facilities, according to documents filed with the city.

So far, roughly 2M SF of prospective tenants have expressed interest in the new Harwood 12 development, she said.

Curious how two reporters look at the same filings and one sees a 40-story building and the other sees a 42-story building (consisting of 15 floors of parking, 20 floors of office and a ground floor, which seems to only add up to 36).

Has anyone found an FAA filing for Harwood XII?

Austin55 · Post by **Austin55** » 27 Dec 2019 18:50

Curious how two reporters look at the same filings and one sees a 40-story building and the other sees a 42-story building (consisting of 15 floors of parking, 20 floors of office and a ground floor, which seems to only add up to 36).

Has anyone found an FAA filing for Harwood XII?

That is straight up what the permit on TDLR says,

Class AA office highrise: 42 stories in height, 15 levels of parking , 20 levels of office and amenity spaces, ground level lobby, dock, retail & restaurant, and roof top restaurant/observation deck

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2020007962

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 28 Dec 2019 10:38

Austin55 wrote:
Curious how two reporters look at the same filings and one sees a 40-story building and the other sees a 42-story building (consisting of 15 floors of parking, 20 floors of office and a ground floor, which seems to only add up to 36).

Has anyone found an FAA filing for Harwood XII?
That is straight up what the permit on TDLR says,

Class AA office highrise: 42 stories in height, 15 levels of parking , 20 levels of office and amenity spaces, ground level lobby, dock, retail & restaurant, and roof top restaurant/observation deck
https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2020007962

So it does. That doesn't answer my question of how did the other reporter come up with a different floor count.

That other article specifically said plans filed with the city showed a 40-story building. So, perhaps whatever has been filed with the city shows something different (and perhaps more accurate) than what was filed with the TDLR.

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 28 Dec 2019 11:13

Does anyone know if the project is still a twin tower plan? I'd love to see two 42 stories buildings facing downtown..

Post by **Tnexster** » 29 Dec 2019 14:13

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Does anyone know if the project is still a twin tower plan? I'd love to see two 42 stories buildings facing downtown..

No, I believe that planned pair of towers was across the street. This one has a render somewhere from the past, wonder how close the new plan will resemble the old?

I45Tex · Post by **I45Tex** » 29 Dec 2019 16:09

Tucy wrote:
So it does. That doesn't answer my question of how did the other reporter come up with a different floor count.

That other article specifically said plans filed with the city showed a 40-story building. So, perhaps whatever has been filed with the city shows something different (and perhaps more accurate) than what was filed with the TDLR.

TD;LR

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 29 Dec 2019 22:48

This lot was never shown with more than one tower.

Post by **Tnexster** » 30 Dec 2019 15:43

There are some of the original renderings from Harwoods previous plan for 12. These are horribly outdated.

http://www.bokapowell.com/project/harwood-phase-xii/

vman · Post by **vman** » 31 Dec 2019 07:17

Tnexster wrote:There are some of the original renderings from Harwoods previous plan for 12. These are horribly outdated.

http://www.bokapowell.com/project/harwood-phase-xii/

They sure love putting that (never-materializing) building greenery in their renderings.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 31 Dec 2019 16:16

Is this the current rendering? 33 floors is shorter than mentioned in articles.

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 31 Dec 2019 20:53

R1070 wrote:Is this the current rendering? 33 floors is shorter than mentioned in articles.

No. This is from 2 yrs ago

Post by **Tnexster** » 01 Jan 2020 12:08

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
R1070 wrote:Is this the current rendering? 33 floors is shorter than mentioned in articles.
No. This is from 2 yrs ago

It's old, 2 years is generous...think it goes back at least 5, maybe more.

Post by **Tnexster** » 05 Feb 2020 15:27

Don't know what they were doing but all kinds of utility work being done on the Harwood 12 site, it was all along Caroline St.

Kelley USA · Post by **Kelley USA** » 05 Feb 2020 16:06

Tnexster wrote:Don't know what they were doing but all kinds of utility work being done on the Harwood 12 site, it was all along Caroline St.

Harwood is known for starting projects with almost no fanfare and no published renderings. They take a very low-key approach, if in fact they are starting to move forward here.

clcrash19 · Post by **clcrash19** » 06 Feb 2020 16:45

This had march construction start date on the official filings if I remember correctly? Looks like they are getting close to getting this going

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 06 Feb 2020 18:00

Any idea of how this will look

clcrash19 · Post by **clcrash19** » 02 Mar 2020 09:28

Should we be expecting some activity this week? Thought i saw 3/3/2020 as the start date on the official filing forms with the city for this project and it looked like they were doing some utility work earlier this month

homeworld1031tx · Post by **homeworld1031tx** » 02 Mar 2020 10:30

Any idea how this building is supposed to add up to 1 million square feet of space? If it's just 20 stories of office space (according to the dmn article as the rest of the height will be above grade parking), 1m sqft seems like quite a lot. Most of the 20-25 story towers in uptown are 300k sqft.

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 02 Mar 2020 10:53

homeworld1031tx wrote:Any idea how this building is supposed to add up to 1 million square feet of space? If it's just 20 stories of office space (according to the dmn article as the rest of the height will be above grade parking), 1m sqft seems like quite a lot. Most of the 20-25 story towers in uptown are 300k sqft.

That must be total building square footage, including parking. (Of course, as previously noted, there seem to be some disconnects between reality and the filings, so it may not actually be 1 Million + square feet.)

Post by **Tnexster** » 02 Mar 2020 11:43

Tucy wrote:
homeworld1031tx wrote:Any idea how this building is supposed to add up to 1 million square feet of space? If it's just 20 stories of office space (according to the dmn article as the rest of the height will be above grade parking), 1m sqft seems like quite a lot. Most of the 20-25 story towers in uptown are 300k sqft.
That must be total building square footage, including parking. (Of course, as previously noted, there seem to be some disconnects between reality and the filings, so it may not actually be 1 Million + square feet.)

True, am also guessing that the actual square footage per floor is more than some of these other Uptown towers as this one may be much larger. I also don't believe 15 + 20 equals 40 or 42 so someone is off on the floor count here and am guessing there are more than 20 floors of office planned. More floors and larger floor plates could equal something closer to what we are hearing.

Kelley USA · Post by **Kelley USA** » 11 Mar 2020 10:07

Technically this XII, but set to begin by Summer. It's being designed by Harwood and a yet to be publicly named international architect. Renderings will be released when the architect is announced. It'll be 40 stories, 500K sf, will include a restaurant, 13K sf garden on the 19th floor along with lounges, fitness center and kitchen.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... s_headline

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 11 Mar 2020 10:23

It still seems like more teasing for the sake of keeping potential tenants interested. Most of whom who I assure you have seen renderings already but get nervous when the developer isn't showing off his latest trophy project.

clcrash19 · Post by **clcrash19** » 16 Apr 2020 01:56

https://candysdirt.com/2020/03/30/harwo ... ttle-else/

Update on this project, the no 12 site off caroline.

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 16 Apr 2020 10:50

clcrash19 wrote:https://candysdirt.com/2020/03/30/harwo ... ttle-else/

Update on this project, the no 12 site off caroline.

205 ft parking garage

Kelley USA · Post by **Kelley USA** » 16 Apr 2020 11:31

dallaz wrote:
clcrash19 wrote:https://candysdirt.com/2020/03/30/harwo ... ttle-else/

Update on this project, the no 12 site off caroline.
205 ft parking garage

The only thing I can think of is that part of this parking will be used for the AAC. I believe there are contractual obligations that require the owners to provide 3,000 parking spaces for AAC events. With current and future developments set to gobble up surface parking, this might be the solution?

clcrash19 · Post by **clcrash19** » 16 Apr 2020 11:50

That garage has to be used for AAC events, no other way i could see that working out.

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 16 Apr 2020 12:18

^^^Now, that makes sense. I just can’t imagine a single building needing a stand-alone parking garage and a parking garage in the office building itself.

Kelley USA · Post by **Kelley USA** » 16 Apr 2020 13:51

So at 610', that would be about 45 stories (maybe take a few)?

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 17 Apr 2020 07:40

Kelley USA wrote:So at 610', that would be about 45 stories (maybe take a few)?

Per the Business Journal story a few weeks ago, 40 stories. If built (a big "if"), this would be by far the tallest office building built in Dallas since the 1980s.

Is this going to be 20 stories of office space on top of 20 stories of parking?

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 17 Apr 2020 08:34

The only way we will get taller buildings is to do mixed use towers with office, hotel and/or residential.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 17 Apr 2020 13:14

I still can not imagine being stuck in that garage trying to leave after an event at the AAC. I mean, of course, the police would have to stop traffic and focus on emptying the garage but still, damn imagine arriving and having to drive 20 stories up for a decently big event to park then realize at the end of a good game that I guess I should find a bar nearby cause why wait 15 stories up in a parking garage in slow-moving traffic.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 17 Apr 2020 21:35

I hope they do a good job disguising the garage to look like an office building so that it’s not totally hideous and actually enhances the views of the neighborhood.

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 17 Apr 2020 23:18

This is hardwood were talking about. They will deliver a mediocre result. Book it.

Post by **Tnexster** » 28 Apr 2020 21:37

A 45 story office tower with a parking garage next door. That's actually kind of a pain to have to drive up, go down, cross the street and go back up again. You'd think they could have at least buried some of it.