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Posted: **25 Jun 2019 16:47**

That Massive Airbnb Hotel on Rainey Will Include a Cafe
Natiivo is a 33-story building with 249 residential units that will operate as a hotel, with amenities like a 24/7 concierge, valet parking, pool, and fitness center. The units will be individually owned, but those owners can only stay for a maximum of 30 straight days due to licensing. Airbnb will provide guidance on common areas and rental interiors.

https://austin.eater.com/2019/6/25/1875 ... treet-cafe

I'm just sharing because I think it's hilarious that AirBnB is opening a hotel and Amazon also recently got into the B&M business. Way to kick someone while they are already down..haha.

With that said, I'm looking forward to the Amazon store in DFW, and am interested in learning more about this hotel. From the sounds of it, it doesn't really sound like anything out of the ordinary really, and it'll just be a regular hotel.

Posted: **07 Jul 2019 16:05**

Hey Look, the Old Ginger Man Facade is Back at the Hotel ZaZa

https://austin.towers.net/hey-look-the- ... otel-zaza/

Posted: **05 Aug 2019 21:39**

Demolition at the 6 X Guadalupe Tower Site Could Arrive Next Month

https://austin.towers.net/demolition-at ... ext-month/

Posted: **04 Sep 2019 10:54**

DPatel304 wrote:Yeah, that's a good point. Apple and Google have started the trend, along with all the little startups in Austin, so it's very likely that others will follow suite. I'll admit, I was pretty shocked to hear about Google coming to Austin, but, now that it is official, that puts them in a REALLY good position to become the next tech hub.

It would certainly be interesting to see how things pan out.

This was my post from February of this year. I still do think that Austin has a very strong Tech presence, but the recent Uber news will certainly make things interesting. If this Uber move happens to be a one and done deal, then it won't change much, but if other companies start moving to DFW, then we might eventually start evening the score.

Posted: **04 Sep 2019 11:06**

DPatel304 wrote:
DPatel304 wrote:Yeah, that's a good point. Apple and Google have started the trend, along with all the little startups in Austin, so it's very likely that others will follow suite. I'll admit, I was pretty shocked to hear about Google coming to Austin, but, now that it is official, that puts them in a REALLY good position to become the next tech hub.

It would certainly be interesting to see how things pan out.

This was my post from February of this year. I still do think that Austin has a very strong Tech presence, but the recent Uber news will certainly make things interesting. If this Uber move happens to be a one and done deal, then it won't change much, but if other companies start moving to DFW, then we might eventually start evening the score.

Austin has a better tech scene than does Dallas. Not even close in my estimation.

The major critical piece being a major university that produces talent.
DFW certainly has greater workforce of tech workers, however DFW suffers from talent generation.

Not to mention Austin's downtown is light years ahead of Downtown Dallas in terms of attracting tech companies. We shall see in the upcoming years if UNT, TCU, SMU and UTD can step it up.. that's the major hurdle. Convincing Companies that our schools can produce quality workers.

Posted: **04 Sep 2019 11:17**

I'm curious how the numbers compare for the Tech scene in both cities. I've heard Dallas actually has a great number of tech jobs with all the telecom companies in the DFW area, but I've never actually seen the numbers comparing the two cities.

Regardless, I think the next decade will certainly be interesting. You are right, Austin has the advantage of having UT, but then it has the disadvantage of lacking a lot of big city advantages that Dallas has (better airport, better highway infrastructure, better public transportation), not to mention that Austin is rapidly becoming expensive and overcrowded.

Posted: **04 Sep 2019 11:28**

Dallas is our winner when comes to the growth rate. Austin seems to perform a little weaker but on the other hand — it already has an established position as a tech hub so the growth pace might not be as relevant here.

https://hackernoon.com/a-brief-numerica ... e90e12a149

I don't know how accurate this information is, but I did find a source which compares the start-up scene in Texas. This is basically in line with what I imagined.

Also, I don't know how accurate this is, but here's another article on the overall tech scene in both cities:
Dallas blasts past Austin in new ranking of top cities for tech workers
http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/city- ... martasset/

I'm sure you could find articles that contradict mine, so, I guess there's no real way to know how the two compare. I'd say DFW has more tech jobs, but Austin has more startups, more 'trendier' companies, and a better tech presence in the urban core. I do think things are close enough to where that could be changed in the next decade, especially with Uber adding 3,000 jobs to the urban core.

Posted: **04 Sep 2019 19:16**

DFW has more tech workers. A lot more. But it's a smaller percentage of a much larger population, so they don't stand out.

Austin, on the other hand, has a lot better PR. :-)

Posted: **06 Sep 2019 13:02**

The 6 X Guadalupe 848' mixed-use project filed this summer with the FAA to authorize a tower crane of up to 925' starting in October and lasting through March 2021. Has not received a decision yet.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 2180&row=1

As for the Austin economy, I am an angel.co user but not a twitter user, so I didn't see any feedback on the four-way comparison from this past winter that you (DPatel) post excerpt screenshots from, above (hackernoon takes blog comments via twitter).
Angel.co is specifically for hiring "talent" interested in business models built to scale hyperfast or die trying, which involves creating a lot more PR than technology jobs do in general, just like Evel Knievel could get a lot more press than your cousin's motorcycle daytrip to Lake Lavon did. Is the buzz about something productive?

Well if any investor compares it to something productive with the same level of risk in the time horizon they're prepared to accept, and finds that they can get superior returns by being in something unproductive that has more momentum, then they don't even have to answer the question.

Total Firms Joining Angel List / Intensity of Their Current Job Postings

12,395 / 1,617 Texas https://angel.co/texas

2620 / 316 Dallas https://angel.co/dallas
244 / 6 Fort Worth https://angel.co/fort-worth
198 / 118 Plano https://angel.co/plano
128 / 10 Irving https://angel.co/irving
95 / 4 Frisco https://angel.co/frisco
26 / 4 Carrollton https://angel.co/carrollton
54 / 3 Richardson https://angel.co/richardson-1
82 / 2 Arlington https://angel.co/arlington
30 / 1 Addison https://angel.co/addison-tx
18 / 1 Lewisville https://angel.co/lewisville
34 / 0 Allen https://angel.co/allen
30 / 0 Southlake https://angel.co/southlake
18 / 0 Denton https://angel.co/denton

2071 / 187 Houston https://angel.co/houston
28 / 2 Katy
23 / 2 Conroe
53 / 1 The Woodlands
25 / 0 Sugar Land

553 / 18 San Antonio https://angel.co/san-antonio

The website has a neat geographic nesting system that allows parent-child searches, except that it often returns errors, and allows the option of listing multiple hiring locations (Richardson AND Garland AND Plano) for a single vacancy so that the totals don't add up to a reliable indicator of what's based in a place.

4657 / 893 Austin https://angel.co/austin
4634 / 826 Travis County https://angel.co/travis-county-1

Even though they have Travis County contain Austin and eight other places.

Likewise the total Harris County job postings are a smaller number than Houston by itself; Euless may have 40 phantom jobs while listing 6 companies none of which are digital.

Nonetheless, with those caveats, plus the big one (that a lot of businesses create profiles to look for talent here without realizing they're not even techy enough to be who the talent is looking for), we can say that the available Angel List jobs right now are distributed this way:

1617 Texas (100%)
893 Austin city limits (55%)
465 DFW (29%)
192 Houston (12%)
67 rest of the state (4%)

Posted: **06 Sep 2019 15:08**

Thank you for some hard figures on the subject! I always figured Austin had a nice lead when it came to start-ups, I just didn't know how the numbers actually compared. Like we suspected, they are squarely ahead in this particular category.

Posted: **07 Sep 2019 07:12**

You're welcome. Though for perspective, in terms of yesterday's Angel List openings that puts Austin only in 11th place in the US and Canada.

Posted: **07 Sep 2019 07:40**

The future tech scene in North Texas really will be a reflection of what's available at regional universities.

DFW will continue to employ great numbers of processors, coders and end users tallying the region a top five rank based of volume of tech workers and available of tech jobs; could even tally a the top three rank in volume and availability of tech employment.

Innovation, trends and new product development will continue to happen in the population centers with the greatest depth and variety of structured educational research. North Texas would benefit from the research dollars available through the Texas A&M system as much as anything, but until state government doubles down on the commitment to higher education Rich Perry got in place, we should expect vast numbers of tech workers doing the jobs people in the brain centers come up with.

Posted: **07 Sep 2019 09:54**

https://catalog.utexas.edu/general-info ... summaries/

Okay in 2017-2018, UT graduated 330 Baccalaureates in CS, 64 MS in Tech Commercialization, 48 MS in CS, 3 BS in Computational Eng., 346 BS in EE and 0 MS in EE.

Across those six programs (Ph.D.'s are not broken out by subject in the enrollment stats but would be a much smaller number), that's almost 800 people to enter the workforce or start further studies.

That is a very large annual quantity, tamtagon, but then again it has not been happening very long. UT had only graduated 4926, 932, 1538, 0 (Computational Eng. must be a new flavor), 13693 BS-EE, and 629 MS-EE students, all-time, from the school's founding through 2017, meaning that if it was a leading factor at all, the minimum ante for "brain centers" was much, much smaller for a metro area a decade or two ago than what it is right now.

Posted: **15 Sep 2019 13:18**

VIDEO: An Inside Look at Downtown Austin’s Indeed Tower Project

15 to 16 floors of parking, that is going to be be a ton of cars coming and going when this thing opens.

https://austin.towers.net/video-an-insi ... r-project/

Posted: **16 Sep 2019 10:09**

WHAT WILL AUSTIN LOOK LIKE?

https://www.austinmonthly.com/AM/Septem ... Ls.twitter

Posted: **16 Sep 2019 11:29**

^ Yikes!!

Posted: **28 Sep 2019 12:21**

Real Quick, Let’s Check Out 10 Towers Rising in Downtown Austin

https://austin.towers.net/real-quick-le ... wn-austin/

Posted: **06 Oct 2019 13:18**

Take a Fresh Look at Natiivo, the Rainey Street District’s ‘Home Sharing’ Tower

https://austin.towers.net/take-a-fresh- ... ing-tower/

Posted: **16 Oct 2019 21:44**

With Groundbreaking Later This Month, 44 East Avenue is 25 Percent Sold

https://austin.towers.net/with-groundbr ... cent-sold/

Posted: **16 Oct 2019 21:48**

Let’s Not Call This the P.F. Chang’s Tower, But Here’s a Sneak Peek Anyway

https://austin.towers.net/lets-not-call ... ek-anyway/

Posted: **16 Oct 2019 22:02**

Austin's Downtown has surpassed Houston's and Dallas' Downtowns. They're building towers left and right.

I feel like there's so much land in Downtown Dallas that's just being held on to by developers who are dreaming of luring a big fish. I wish more of that land was dedicated to residential and Hotel projects.

Posted: **16 Oct 2019 22:28**

If you ignore the towers going up Uptown, Knox, Victory Park, the Design District, and Deep Ellum, then I suppose you could say Dallas is being surpassed by Austin.

Posted: **16 Oct 2019 22:41**

DPatel304 wrote:If you ignore the towers going up Uptown, Knox, Victory Park, the Design District, and Deep Ellum, then I suppose you could say Dallas is being surpassed by Austin.

I specifically said Downtown. I am comparing Downtowns

Posted: **17 Oct 2019 05:59**

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Austin's Downtown has surpassed Houston and Dallas. They're building towers left and right.

I feel like there's so much land in Downtown Dallas that's just being held on to by developers who are dreaming of luring a big fish. I wish more of that land was dedicated to residential and Hotel projects.

Dallas? Maybe. Houston? Definitely not. Austin still has maybe another 2 decades before they can catch up to Houston.

Posted: **17 Oct 2019 09:24**

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I specifically said Downtown. I am comparing Downtowns

I know you were, but what is the purpose of only comparing Downtowns? Seems a bit arbitrary to me.

Posted: **17 Oct 2019 09:38**

Imagine having to drive up 19 stories of parking ramps to park everyday.

Posted: **17 Oct 2019 09:40**

DPatel304 wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I specifically said Downtown. I am comparing Downtowns

I know you were, but what is the purpose of only comparing Downtowns? Seems a bit arbitrary to me.

If you're just comparing Austin to *Downtown* Dallas, they surpassed us sometime in the mid 2000s...

Posted: **07 Nov 2019 22:10**

Downtown Austin’s Extended Stay America is Finally Coming Down

https://austin.towers.net/downtown-aust ... ming-down/

If you need a refresher on what exactly we’re getting at 6 X Guadalupe from developers Lincoln Property Company and Kairoi Residential, the latest marketing material describes the tower as containing roughly 589,000 square feet of office space, 349 apartment units, and more than 11,000 square feet of retail space — and yes, at 66 floors and 848 feet in height, the building will become Austin’s new tallest. Designed by the Austin offices of international architecture giant Gensler, there’s no shortage of good renderings for this thing:

Posted: **08 Nov 2019 08:38**

Hopefully the base of that tower isn't as dreadful as it appears... It doesn't fit the rest of the tower at all.

Posted: **08 Nov 2019 10:30**

^Big podium,I guess they will have a ton of parking in there.

Posted: **11 Nov 2019 21:55**

I'm curious. What measurement is used to define Austin's downtown as being bigger than Dallas? Certainly it's not by skyscrapers as measured 500 feet or higher or a cursory glance at each skyline. Moreover, office square footage is fairly large in downtown Dallas...at least > 15 million square feet last time I checked, which, admittedly, has been a long while. I suppose I can see high-rise living space being more than in downtown Dallas. Just curious.

Posted: **12 Nov 2019 11:44**

Dragon_Lady wrote:I'm curious. What measurement is used to define Austin's downtown as being bigger than Dallas? Certainly it's not by skyscrapers as measured 500 feet or higher or a cursory glance at each skyline. Moreover, office square footage is fairly large in downtown Dallas...at least > 15 million square feet last time I checked, which, admittedly, has been a long while. I suppose I can see high-rise living space being more than in downtown Dallas. Just curious.

I'm not really sure what metric people are using either. Honestly, I think it's all irrelevant, because these comparisons completely ignore the growth that has occured in the greater Downtown areas, which is where Dallas has seen the majority of its growth.

Obvioulsy I'd like to see more development in Downtown Dallas, but it appears our urban core is developing from the outisde inwards. It's definitely been unusual, as it has created pockets of scattered activity with little cohesiveness, but it seems, going forward, we'll be filling in those gaps.

Posted: **13 Nov 2019 21:50**

I personally think it's a little difficult to adequately compare them since they are so different.

Posted: **13 Nov 2019 23:05**

I don't see them as being all that different. Austin's urban core is quite a bit smaller, which means it filled up quicker, but now they will likely run out of space to continue to build. Dallas's urban core is quite large (when you factor in the surrounding urban neighborhoods), so it's taking a while for it to fill in, but the plus side is we still have tons of room to grow.

I think Austin, as a city, is doing a tremendous job for a city of it's size, but I foresee them struggling in the near future with the growth they are experience. They simply aren't as equipped to handle the influx of people like Dallas is, and that will hurt them.

Posted: **22 Nov 2019 11:38**

25 new towers pegged for downtown Austin
https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news ... ustin.html

Posted: **25 Nov 2019 21:00**

Or as I like to call it, Little Dubai.

Posted: **26 Nov 2019 09:58**

That's pretty nuts. Most of those are >30 stories too...

Posted: **14 Dec 2019 22:43**

https://austin.towers.net/heres-90-92-r ... -district/

Posted: **19 Dec 2019 22:16**

Planned Austin tower is one of the tallest in the works for Texas
The same developer is working on a project in Uptown Dallas.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... for-texas/

Posted: **19 Dec 2019 22:26**

Wow, 60 floors. Good for them!

Posted: **28 Jan 2020 21:12**

Downtown Austin’s Block 87 Tower Returns With a Freshened-Up Design

https://austin.towers.net/downtown-aust ... up-design/

Posted: **12 Feb 2020 21:14**

Two Towers at the Railyard Could Redefine Austin’s Skyline Twice

https://austin.towers.net/two-towers-at ... ine-twice/

Posted: **12 Feb 2020 23:55**

Austin is white hot

Posted: **13 Feb 2020 08:51**

Posted: **13 Feb 2020 19:47**

How much of it is parking?

Posted: **14 Feb 2020 12:54**

Not gonna lie - very jealous of the height Austin is somehow able to command.

Posted: **15 Feb 2020 11:41**

flyswatter wrote:How much of it is parking?

Doesn't really say but one would think that for something that large and that high they would go down several levels first. I don't think podiums are any more popular in Austin than they are here.

Posted: **13 Mar 2020 20:01**

Austin 2011 vs. Austin 2020
From Mt. Bonnell

Posted: **13 Mar 2020 20:56**

That's such a dramatic picture

Posted: **14 May 2020 16:30**

Demolition Approved at West Sixth Sushi Bar, Making Way for 60 Floors

https://austin.towers.net/bbva-tower-we ... emolition/

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