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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby willyk » 03 Aug 2019 03:31

Kids’ area?

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby mdg109 » 15 Aug 2019 19:08

I'm really liking how the old Aston Park section is looking.
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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Aug 2019 16:03

Aston Park finally gets the design and attention it deserves as a more welcoming grove of trees people can enjoy.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby lakewoodhobo » 13 Sep 2019 10:42

Opening date set for October 14

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby exelone31 » 13 Sep 2019 13:59

Wow, it's only a month from opening? That seems quick, great news!

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby DPatel304 » 13 Sep 2019 14:34

Thanks for sharing! Excited to see how much energy this brings to this part of town, and also excited to see how quickly they get started on the next park to be constructed.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby Cord1936 » 13 Sep 2019 23:01

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Pacific Plaza proposal, 70 story and 60 story residential towers

Wish these two would have come to fruition overlooking Pacific Plaza Park ... with the park's completion it may still spur something significant in the future.

These would have been spectacular though ...

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby Cord1936 » 14 Sep 2019 15:17

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1900 Pacific (overlooking Pacific Park Plaza), 700 ft, 57 story residential tower proposal

Pacific Park Plaza has really had its fair share of significant skyscraper proposals in the past. It bodes well for potential future major development to surround it since it has already had this level of proposed activity in the past, just based on the expectation of Pacific Plaza Park being built.

This is yet another residential tower that was proposed to overlook the Park at 57 stories and 700 feet tall from around 2007. 1900 Pacific was designed by world renowned architect Michael Graves & Associates.

It would have replaced the Corrigan Tower, which fortunately was redeveloped into residential and is a cool building itself. Although I think I would have preferred seeing this puppy built!

The 700 foot skyscraper was planned by Rita Sweeney's development company, Pillar Group.

Rita was a major developer from Toronto and so fell in love with Dallas and saw so much untapped potential, she and her husband moved her and she immediately sat about to transform Downtown Dallas. Rita went head-to-head against Laura Miller at differing times as Rita felt the City should be doing more in the late 2000's to further growth in Downtown so that it could become a truly world class urban environment, like Toronto.

Rita's untimely and truly unfortunate death from cancer threw a monkey wrench in this specific project as well as her other grand plans for Downtown Dallas.

I knew Rita personally and I cannot tell you how saddened I was at her passing .... a true visionary and leader for Dallas' growth and development was lost forever!

Rita took me on a personal tour of her projects in Downtown Dallas on one occasion, including the renovation of the Hart Furniture Building which housed her own offices at the time. And on another occasion she was at my place of business in Deep Ellum trying to recruit my retail business to move into one of her buildings Downtown.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2007/10/rita-sweeney-rip/

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Postby dfwcre8tive » 15 Sep 2019 21:23

Here's the original plan for Dallas Centre.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 16 Sep 2019 14:28

Unfortunately, probably I. M. Pei's least distinguished work.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Sep 2019 14:46

Yet it looks like more OCP HQ kinda stuff.

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Postby dfwcre8tive » 17 Sep 2019 14:17

Hannibal Lecter wrote:Unfortunately, probably I. M. Pei's least distinguished work.


The original 1977 plan had all phases designed by Henry Cobb and the shapes were more cohesive. Two Dallas Centre was to be a chevron-shaped tower with 30 floors of office space topped with 21 floors of hotel space. Three Dallas Centre was envisioned to contain 400 luxury apartments across the street.

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This plan was later revised in 1981 AFTER One Dallas Centre completed successful leasing and construction.

The revised Two Dallas Centre was designed by Araldo Cossutta (who worked with Pei and later designed the Tower at Cityplace). It included the 1.7 million-square-foot office building (twin towers joined at the 16th and 23rd floors) and a separate 500-room hotel.

Land planning was done by Vincent Ponte, designer of the underground walkway system. It was to include a truck terminal, parking garage, and additional underground retail beneath the entire complex. 50% of the surface was open space.

Site plan:
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It all fell apart in 1982 due to leasehold issues on the property -- RepublicBank controlled the 99-year leases but each of the twelve pieces of land had different characteristics.
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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby lakewoodhobo » 18 Sep 2019 11:47

dfwcre8tive wrote:The revised Two Dallas Centre was designed by Araldo Cossutta (who worked with Pei and later designed the Tower at Cityplace). It included the 1.7 million-square-foot office building (twin towers joined at the 16th and 23rd floors) and a separate 500-room hotel.

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What a coincidence that this iteration included an Intercontinental Hotel by the designer of Cityplace Tower, which is now getting an Intercontinental Hotel.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby lakewoodhobo » 27 Sep 2019 15:09

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby Tnexster » 28 Sep 2019 12:15

Nice looking addition to downtown, maybe that surface lot will get some attention soon. Great spot for a new tower overlooking the park.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby DPatel304 » 28 Sep 2019 15:48

Great shot! Excited to see this completed, and excited to see the next park get started.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 03 Oct 2019 12:39

That parking lot is owned by a family fund out of Houston who uses the money they make on parking to donate to charities down there. Hopefully, the right developer will come along and talk them out of parking revenue and into property development value profits.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby Tucy » 03 Oct 2019 12:57

cowboyeagle05 wrote:That parking lot is owned by a family fund out of Houston who uses the money they make on parking to donate to charities down there. Hopefully, the right developer will come along and talk them out of parking revenue and into property development value profits.


DCAD says it (the parking lot overlooking Pacific Plaza Park from across the intersection at Pacific and N Harwood) is owned by someone from Athens, Texas.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 03 Oct 2019 14:01

CAIN JOHN CHARLES
PO BOX 987
ATHENS, TEXAS 757510987

aka The Cain Foundation https://www.gordonacainfoundation.org/

The Gordon A. Cain Foundation is a non-profit philanthropic organization incorporated in the State of Texas in 2007. It was founded to provide financial support to charitable organizations primarily in the city of Houston, Texas.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby itsjrd1964 » 05 Oct 2019 13:02

Downtown Dallas Ready for ‘Refuge of Shade’ In Soon-To-Open Pacific Plaza

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... fic-plaza/

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby Cord1936 » 05 Oct 2019 15:22

itsjrd1964 wrote:Downtown Dallas Ready for ‘Refuge of Shade’ In Soon-To-Open Pacific Plaza

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... fic-plaza/


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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby Tucy » 05 Oct 2019 15:25

cowboyeagle05 wrote:CAIN JOHN CHARLES
PO BOX 987
ATHENS, TEXAS 757510987

aka The Cain Foundation https://www.gordonacainfoundation.org/

The Gordon A. Cain Foundation is a non-profit philanthropic organization incorporated in the State of Texas in 2007. It was founded to provide financial support to charitable organizations primarily in the city of Houston, Texas.



Interesting, but where are you seeing a connection between John Charles Cain of Athens, Texas and the Gordon A. Cain Foundation, whose address is in Houston?
Edit: apparently John Cain of Athens is trustee of The Cain Foundation, different from the Gordon A. Cain Foundation, and based in Austin. https://www.athensreview.com/news/local ... 80718.html

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 05 Oct 2019 15:57

I little more research never hurt the facts^ Great follow up Tucy.

Also, I connected the dots by looking at Google Maps which has a dot on the parking lot for the Cain Foundation. Whoever actually controls the potential for redevelopment of that land now has a very attractive site where new construction has a chance to build its design around park access and views.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby exelone31 » 07 Oct 2019 10:22

I hope this park does well. I wonder if there will be plans for festivals/events in the open space, similar to Main Street Garden? There does not appear to be much in the way of amenities, not that that is necessarily a bad thing.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby lakewoodhobo » 07 Oct 2019 11:23

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According to this, there's a public restroom on the north side of the park. The ones at MSG and KWP can be somewhat monitored by staff at the food kiosk, but unless this has some Portland Loo technology I suspect it'll be locked and inaccessible after a couple of months.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby willyk » 12 Oct 2019 03:36

West End Plaza next?

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 Oct 2019 15:41

Since Harwood Park just went to the Landmark Committee for design approval I imagine it's up next. The newly updated renderings are in the October 11 Landmark Commission agenda.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 13 Oct 2019 14:44

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2019/10 ... _Kp6TyFDjI


Meadows said her group doesn’t envision Pacific Plaza and the still-to-come green spaces as Klyde Warren-like destination parks. “These are designed as neighborhood parks because people are actually moving back into the downtown core,” she said. “This is about work, live and play all together in one place.”


I am glad they can at least say this out loud. If only the public understood the same.

Also, I do think the city and Parks for Downtown Dallas are getting better at understanding what these parks need to be for people Downtown. Main Streets Gardens was an honest effort but it missed the mark in many ways and I think they are slowly evolving it as parks like this one take the pressure of it. Main Street Gardens will need a major remodel in the coming decade and hopefully, Parks for Downtown Dallas will be a part of that project. Belo Gardens to me is the biggest mistake in park design but I think until more stuff develops on that end of Downtown that isn't just 9 to 5 oriented it will always have a disconnect and be more or less a green parking lot.

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Re: Downtown - Pacific Plaza Park

Postby mdg109 » 13 Oct 2019 19:46

Speaking of Main Street Garden, I noticed that all of the shade structures along Main Street were cordoned off. I hope these get removed and better, hardier landscaping goes in.


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