Dallas Fort Worth Urban Forum

Posted: **21 May 2019 17:05**

Tnexster wrote:
Alex Rodriguez wrote:D cost $1.2 Billion 15 years ago. Its probably the scale of the thing, D is massive and F will be equally as massive. 24 gates is surprisingly low, maybe its going to be primarily built out to handle 789, 773, big widebodies?

Probably, but doesn't this project also include a remodel of Terminal C?

Terminal C adds another 1/2 Billion.

Posted: **21 May 2019 17:12**

Alex Rodriguez wrote:D cost $1.2 Billion 15 years ago. Its probably the scale of the thing, D is massive and F will be equally as massive. 24 gates is surprisingly low, maybe its going to be primarily built out to handle 789, 773, big widebodies?

D was built with 28 gates and the Grand Hyatt Hotel and the FIS facility.

F will apparently have 24 gates, at most. There is no reason to think it will have FIS or a hotel and it probably will not be built primarily for wide-bodies. 2 1/2 times the money 15 years later for less terminal?

Posted: **31 Jul 2019 17:02**

Buffalo Wild Wings, Topgolf want to bring 'sports experience venue' to DFW Airport

https://www.wfaa.com/article/entertainm ... 2c1dca202b

Pretty cool. Along with the gaming lounge that recently opened, it would be nice to see more traveler amenities that turn DFW Airport into a destination itself. Singapore Airport has done an excellent job of this. With Terminal F on the horizon, some out of the box thinking on amenities would be welcome. Maybe an indoor garden area, movie theater, gym/spa, something to entertain kids, etc.. DFW already offers a nice passenger experience and is easy to connect through, but making it the premier hub with the best passenger experience in North America might take some creative thinking.

Posted: **01 Aug 2019 09:12**

DFW has decided to raise tolls/fees on those that are at the airport 8 minutes or less, to $6. Up to now, it has cost $4 if you were at the airport 8 minutes or less. The article says the airport is aiming primarily at those that just pass through the airport without a pickup or dropoff, and use DFW as a shortcut of sorts. The increase would begin Oct. 1.

No other toll/fee changes are currently being considered.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/dfw ... g-shortcut

Posted: **08 Aug 2019 13:35**

American will start nonstop flights from DFW to Tel Aviv, Israel, starting in September 2020.

However, DFW will lose AA's seasonal service to Reykjavik, Iceland, which will move to their Philadelphia hub.

Hopefully Icelandair will come back with AA exiting the market.

More international announcements are expected next week. This will presumably include how AA's DFW-Tokyo flights will be alloted between Narita and Haneda, now that they have DFW-HND slots. Currently all DFW flights to Tokyo are routed to Narita airport.

https://onemileatatime.com/new-american ... -and-more/

Posted: **16 Aug 2019 14:46**

Classic Anti-Competitive Behavior: With Other Airlines Gone, American Drops Dallas – Iceland Service Too

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... rvice-too/

Interesting article about anti-competitive behavior on the part of American Airlines at DFW Airport. It's a well known fact that AA wants to be the only choice DFW area customers have when it comes to international flying, which is one of the reasons we see less foreign carriers at DFW, less competition, and higher prices.

We went from 3 carriers on DFW-Iceland to zero. AA started their flight to kick out the Icelandic carriers, succeeded, and now "relocates" the flight to Philadelphia, guaranteeing their monopoly on the route and the chance to squeeze DFW customers for more money, while providing less comfort, amenities, and convenience.

American also added a second daily DFW-Paris flight after Air France announced their reentry to DFW, presumably to try and push them out to limit choice for DFW fliers. Air France is about to conclude their seasonal flight, so we will see if they choose to operate it again next year or if AA gets their way.

What they do is hard to prove as "illegal," and would likely never happen. However, Dallas and Fort Worth taxpayers do own DFW Airport, fund it, and assume any financial risk that comes with running the megahub for American Airlines. If we had a mayor who cared and wasn't put in power by big business (we do have that with Eric Johnson), I would love to see them lay down the law and tell American we are not going to let their monopoly cause higher airfares for Dallasites, less choice, and less international links that bring growth and global visibility to our city.

This could be accomplished by refusing to fund construction for the new Terminal F, or supporting actual Dallas-based Southwest Airlines in a complete reversal of any Wright Amendment restrictions on Love Field gate numbers, usage, and allowing international flights from Love.

But, this is all conjecture and will likely never happen. Being the kind of Mayor Eric Johnson is, I'm sure backs have been scratched and a deal has been worked out to protect AA at the expense of Dallasites.

Posted: **16 Aug 2019 19:35**

Finding a way to increase competition at DFW International Airport is critical to the region's economy, but instead of suggesting 'we' refuse to fund Terminal F construction, how about funding Terminal F and G to make room for another carrier.

DFW could and should actively pursue the reestablishment of a Delta-SkyTeam hub.

Posted: **24 Sep 2019 10:29**

At its September meeting the DFW Airport Board had on its agenda, and presumably approved an increase in the contract for Terminal F Phase 1 - Construction Manager at Risk, in an amount not to exceed $62,634,577.00, for a revised Contract amount of $132,745,984.00.

According to the agenda item, "Construction of Terminal F Phase 1 will provide four swing gates capable of accommodating both domestic and international flights at the southern end of Terminal D".

The Terminal F Phase 1 project was formerly known as the Terminal D South Expansion project.

Posted: **24 Sep 2019 18:13**

DFW International Airport CEO Sean Donohue says the new terminal could open as early as 2025.
Image courtesy of Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport

DFW Airport Grows Internationally
The airport's new $3.1 billion terminal will mean good things for jetsetters.
By Shawn Shinneman, D CEO, September 2019

When DFW International Airport announced it would add a $3.1 billion sixth terminal in May, CEO Sean Donohue explained the addition as a necessity to continue capturing the region’s booming growth. North Texas will be bigger than Chicago by the end of the decade, according to reports of his announcement at the Hyatt Regency DFW.
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I learned that American Airlines, which flew to 48 international destinations a decade ago, now travels to 86. Donohue told me that DFW Airport has doubled its international service since 2010.
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Some of that growth has been driven by the relocations that have defined our corporate business environment over the last five years. Donohue doesn’t believe Japan Airlines would have come to DFW had Toyota not moved to the area.
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“The fact that our international profile has grown so dramatically, I also think, is an appeal to corporations as they’re looking to make a decision to move to DFW ...
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Donohue says that the new Terminal F will be intentionally built for flexibility, so the airport can use more gates for international travel during the summer and fewer during the winter, when domestic is a greater emphasis. He won’t estimate a breakdown of how many of the 24 gates will be allocated for international travel at any given time.
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Regardless of just how many more flights pop up, DFW’s standing as an international hub will only grow. And that’s a good thing for all ages.

Full article: https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-ceo/2019/september/dfw-airport-grows-internationally/?utm_campaign=Newsletter%20-%20D%20CEO&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=77244437&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-__hVYQd8EFjAZfMWyFERJPBAvAw6YY-MQRu7tCjDcK5kHSmt6UBIQIVDmeA-X84_OB53tbmRoB1LM9MjX0MRJYVgn9SQ&_hsmi=77244437

Posted: **24 Sep 2019 20:24**

To really grow the international business and increase domestic competition, find a way to build a SkyTeam hub. If North Texas will be bigger than Chicago before the end of the decade, the big airport needs to operate as a dual hub.

Posted: **25 Sep 2019 23:02**

tamtagon wrote:To really grow the international business and increase domestic competition, find a way to build a SkyTeam hub. If North Texas will be bigger than Chicago before the end of the decade, the big airport needs to operate as a dual hub.

^^^^^^^
Totally agree ...

Here is another interesting article touting a 2019 study showing that DFW is now the 3rd "most connected" airport in the country, behind O'Hare and Hartsfield. DFW moved up one spot from 4th last year to 3rd in 2019.

Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport ranked 9th and Houston Hobby didn't rank in the top 25.

In addition to DFW's 3rd place ranking Dallas Love Field is also in the top 25, apparently at number 22 ... that is quite an accomplishment since the Wright Amendment's modification.

The inane shackles that still remain restricting Love Field's growth need to be completely jettisoned and you would really see it shoot up in the various airport metrics.
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PHOTO: Travelers walking through Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. (photo via tupungato/iStock Editorial/Getty Images Plus)

America's Most Connected Airports
by Patrick Clarke, TravelPulse.com, September 23, 2019

Chicago's O'Hare International Airport remains the most connected airport in the nation, according to OAG's 2019 Megahubs Index.

The U.K.-based air travel intelligence company's list ranks domestic airports based on the highest ratio of possible scheduled connections to the number of destinations served by that airport.
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The world's busiest airport, Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International ranks second for connectivity in the U.S., followed by a pair of American Airlines hubs in Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport and Charlotte Douglas International Airport. DFW is up one spot in 2019, overtaking CLT for third.
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Other top 25 finishers include Philadelphia International; Salt Lake City International; San Francisco International; Dallas Love Field; Chicago Midway International; Las Vegas' McCarran International and Baltimore-Washington International.

Full article: https://www.travelpulse.com/news/airlines/americas-most-connected-airports.html

Posted: **26 Sep 2019 14:22**

AA and DFW are joined at the hip. AA doesn't want it and the DFW board is not likely to upset AA over the idea of a multi-hub airport. While being a more prominent airport with multi-hub integrated with AA's hub would benefit AA they still would rather keep DFW all to themselves. It's selfish but the DFW board is still willing to play the AA game.

Posted: **26 Sep 2019 20:07**

North Texas customers do not benefit from the fortress hub. After Love Field was granted full domestic access, prices dropped significantly at DFW; now that things have settled down, and Love Field has reached capacity+, DFW flights have become more expensive. Legacy Carrier + Fortress Hub = higher prices. Competition from another major legacy carrier hub will benefit consumers, elevate the airport and have an impact on the entire domestic hub.

Posted: **26 Sep 2019 22:05**

Delta is buying a 20% stake in LATAM, South America's largest airline group which has hubs in most large South American cities. LATAM is part of Oneworld and partnered with AA, and will be leaving Oneworld ASAP.

This is not good news for AA. They lose connectivity in South America from the cities they fly to on their own planes to secondary cities on LATAM. AA has always been historically strong in Latin America, but this will be a big speed bump for them. All after showing off their glitzy new HQ, and probably didn't even see it coming.

Posted: **21 Nov 2019 02:00**

The DBJ looks at the top 10 international destinations not served non-stop from DFW. Interesting list, but apparently all require a connecting flight from here.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... outes.html

Posted: **04 Dec 2019 08:45**

DFW is looking into the future of retail/restaurants on the non-secured side of terminals there. Apparently the spots on the secured side are performing much better than those located before the security checkpoints.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/busi ... 14924.html

Posted: **04 Dec 2019 10:45**

itsjrd1964 wrote:The DBJ looks at the top 10 international destinations not served non-stop from DFW. Interesting list, but apparently all require a connecting flight from here.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... outes.html

I had to go to northern italy for a wedding this summer, and while most of the guests flew in to either Milan or Zurich, I chose to fly into Rome direct and then just took a train up North (with many stops along the way, of course.)

Posted: **04 Dec 2019 12:03**

itsjrd1964 wrote:The DBJ looks at the top 10 international destinations not served non-stop from DFW. Interesting list, but apparently all require a connecting flight from here.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... outes.html

Very interesting. None of those unserved markets have very high levels of traffic. One thing we can say about American Airlines: they are not leaving anything on the table at DFW. Adding the DFW-Tel Aviv nonstop looks pretty agressive. We're lucky to have them here.

Posted: **04 Dec 2019 12:34**

Apparently the Tel Aviv route is starting off strong. It was originally scheduled for 3 flights/week. They haven't even started service yet and AA has already doubled it to 6 flights/week.

Posted: **04 Dec 2019 13:42**

Hannibal Lecter wrote:Apparently the Tel Aviv route is starting off strong. It was originally scheduled for 3 flights/week. They haven't even started service yet and AA has already doubled it to 6 flights/week.

I think that was an erroneously published schedule... or something. It seems they are back to 3x weekly.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... tel%20aviv

Posted: **04 Dec 2019 14:29**

itsjrd1964 wrote:DFW is looking into the future of retail/restaurants on the non-secured side of terminals there. Apparently the spots on the secured side are performing much better than those located before the security checkpoints.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/busi ... 14924.html

I'm surprised it's taken almost two decades to reach this realization... Everyone wants to get the security screening over with asap. If you want retail outside of security to succeed you have to provide something that isn't available in the secured area. A handful of convenience kiosks ain't gonna cut it.

Posted: **04 Dec 2019 15:21**

THRILLHO wrote:
itsjrd1964 wrote:DFW is looking into the future of retail/restaurants on the non-secured side of terminals there. Apparently the spots on the secured side are performing much better than those located before the security checkpoints.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/busi ... 14924.html

I'm surprised it's taken almost two decades to reach this realization... Everyone wants to get the security screening over with asap. If you want retail outside of security to succeed you have to provide something that isn't available in the secured area. A handful of convenience kiosks ain't gonna cut it.

Yep, precisely. I always get anxious that security is going to take forever to get through, so I always pad my time to account for security delays.

Posted: **07 Dec 2019 22:32**

Tucy wrote:I think that was an erroneously published schedule... or something. It seems they are back to 3x weekly.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... tel%20aviv

Yup. I just popped in to post that and found you beat me to it. :-)

Posted: **07 Jan 2020 17:21**

I've done a few searches but haven't come up with anything... Anyone know why is there always a black cloud of smoke around the outskirts of DFW a few times a week?

Posted: **07 Jan 2020 20:20**

DFW has a nationally recognized airport and airplane fire fighting training facility. Firefighters come from all over to take the training. I’ve wondered about the smoke myself For years. Recently saw a news story about it. They recreate a jet in full flames which creates a lot of smoke.

Posted: **08 Jan 2020 10:06**

That is what my first theory was... thanks for the info :- )

Posted: **09 Jan 2020 21:22**

LongonBigD wrote:DFW has a nationally recognized airport and airplane fire fighting training facility. Firefighters come from all over to take the training. I’ve wondered about the smoke myself For years. Recently saw a news story about it. They recreate a jet in full flames which creates a lot of smoke.

If you are ever taking off or landing on the main west side runway you can get a pretty good look at the plane they use for the training. Kinda look like a plane crashed and the just left it there.

Posted: **10 Jan 2020 15:07**

DFW now flies nonstop to more U.S. destinations than any other airport
With a new route in December to St. Thomas, DFW passed Chicago O’Hare with 193 domestic nonstop connections

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... r-airport/

Posted: **20 Feb 2020 08:26**

An Eatzi's in Terminal F? That's all I need to know to know I love it!

https://www.papercitymag.com/culture/travel/dfw-airport-new-3-billion-terminal-f-food-hall-eatzis/

Posted: **29 Feb 2020 12:13**

I want to see exterior renderings of the new terminal design ugh. Eatzi's is a wonderful addition but I really wanna see exterior layout plans of the terminal.

Posted: **29 Feb 2020 15:38**

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The project would also include some retail from HMS Host and Star Concessions, including brands such as 30 West and True to Texas.

The project is slated to open in about two years because it is part of a four-gate expansion to the Terminal D area. That expansion will help ease congestion at the airport while officials plan and construction starts on a completely new $3 billion terminal, Terminal F, that’s slated to be finished around 2025.

Posted: **10 Apr 2020 12:00**

Timing and Size of New Terminal F In Doubt.

DFW International Airport will have to reevaluate the “size” and “timing” of its $3 billion plan to build a new terminal by 2025 with airlines looking at major declines in passengers this year, the airport’s chief executive said Thursday.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... r-traffic/

Posted: **13 Apr 2020 12:15**

Don't reevaluate the size, just the timing. Air travel will slowly but surely return once we're on the other side of this thing, there's no sense in having waited this long to build terminal F only for it to be outgrown sooner than we'd like.

Just continue utilizing the current terminals until we again reach the previous capacity that required Terminal F to be considered in the first place.

Posted: **14 Apr 2020 15:21**

They still plan on renovating the old terminal anyways so make it work, hunker down and wait till next year and see where all the players are.

Posted: **14 Apr 2020 17:02**

cowboyeagle05 wrote:They still plan on renovating the old terminal anyways so make it work, hunker down and wait till next year and see where all the players are.

Are we sure of that? What is the status of the Terminal C renovation? I can't find anything about it in the airport board meeting minutes.

Posted: **15 Apr 2020 18:21**

No idea on Tucy's question, but since Terminal F is pretty poorly located for TEXRail, Orange Line and TRE passengers, is it intended mostly for flight capacity for new transfer connecting passengers? It seems like ORD plans to compete hard for more of this next generation of continental east-west hub traffic, like Houston hopes to find a way to compete with Miami for north-south traffic if Central America/Mexico and the heartland of America each experiences better days ahead.

Posted: **16 Apr 2020 11:50**

I45Tex wrote:No idea on Tucy's question, but since Terminal F is pretty poorly located for TEXRail, Orange Line and TRE passengers, is it intended mostly for flight capacity for new transfer connecting passengers? It seems like ORD plans to compete hard for more of this next generation of continental east-west hub traffic, like Houston hopes to find a way to compete with Miami for north-south traffic if Central America/Mexico and the heartland of America each experiences better days ahead.

If Terminal F winds up looking like a carbon copy of D, it will have the usual landside facilities for arriving/departing passengers, especially if it is to have FIS facilities to handle international arrivals (I'd heard at one point F was to be the "AA" international terminal, with all other International carriers staying in D). If there were no parking/check-in facilities in F, it would be very inconvenient for AA passengers departing to have to go to A/B/C to check in their baggage, then take the longest possible skylink ride to F to catch their flight. AA doesn't have enough destinations from DFW that are mostly filled with connecting traffic to justify an entire "connecting" terminal that's only accessible via Skylink, and the ones that are 95% connections are already clustered in the 10-ish gates on the E Satellite (places like Waco, Longview, Tyler, Kileen, etc that are served on the small 44-50 seat jets).

Posted: **20 Apr 2020 18:40**

Check out these stories about the never-built 1989 DFW Terminal F plans. Lots of great visuals by Corgan.

Part 1: https://www.airporthistory.org/dfw-rebuild-1.html

Part 2: https://www.airporthistory.org/dfw-rebuild-2.html

Posted: **21 Apr 2020 12:07**

^ Fantastic info. Thanks for the links!

Posted: **22 Apr 2020 16:27**

Yes, more historical info is always welcome for understanding how we got here great find!

Posted: **22 Apr 2020 17:37**

Thanks TNWE, and also dfwcre8tive!

Posted: **04 Jun 2020 17:27**

You won't see this one on CNN...

DFW becomes the world’s busiest airport during COVID-19 downturn

DFW International Airport was the world’s busiest airport in May, leaping ahead of other major travel hubs that have downsized during the COVID-19 pandemic.

DFW, still running a fraction of the flights it did a few months ago, operated 12,132 flights in May, far ahead of the No. 2 airport, Chicago O’Hare, according to aviation data company OAG. O’Hare, the biggest hub for Chicago-based United Airlines, had 8,596 flights, OAG said.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... -downturn/

(CNN loves to plug their hometown airport, and they purposely avoid writing positive things about Dallas. They once had an article about the busiest airports in the world. They included rankings using three different criteria. What was funny was that they didn't have three top 10 lists. One list was like the top seven, another was the top four and the other was the top dozen or so. I thought this strange enough that I looked up their source materials. In all three cases the next one on the list -- the first one they left out -- was DFW.)

Posted: **04 Jun 2020 18:03**

Hannibal Lecter wrote:You won't see this one on CNN...

DFW becomes the world’s busiest airport during COVID-19 downturn

DFW International Airport was the world’s busiest airport in May, leaping ahead of other major travel hubs that have downsized during the COVID-19 pandemic.

DFW, still running a fraction of the flights it did a few months ago, operated 12,132 flights in May, far ahead of the No. 2 airport, Chicago O’Hare, according to aviation data company OAG. O’Hare, the biggest hub for Chicago-based United Airlines, had 8,596 flights, OAG said.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... -downturn/

(CNN loves to plug their hometown airport, and they purposely avoid writing positive things about Dallas. They once had an article about the busiest airports in the world. They included rankings using three different criteria. What was funny was that they didn't have three top 10 lists. One list was like the top seven, another was the top four and the other was the top dozen or so. I thought this strange enough that I looked up their source materials. In all three cases the next one on the list -- the first one they left out -- was DFW.)

Funny.

That article includes a sloppy misstatement, about 2/3 down the page, it says "DFW has been the world’s third or fourth-largest airport for the last few years, serving more than 75 million passengers, or about 205,000 a day." That is false. First, they haven't served more than 75 million passengers for the last few years. DFW served 75 million in 2019. Second, and more importantly, that passenger counter placed DFW as the world's 10th-largest airport in 2019. 10th largest in the world is nothing to be embarrassed about, especially since we've risen from 12th-largest just two years earlier.

The author may have meant to say DFW has recently been in the world's top 3 or 4 largest airports in the number of aircraft movements. That statement would be true. (#4 in 2017.)

Posted: **05 Jun 2020 07:46**

Hannibal Lecter wrote:You won't see this one on CNN...

DFW becomes the world’s busiest airport during COVID-19 downturn

DFW International Airport was the world’s busiest airport in May, leaping ahead of other major travel hubs that have downsized during the COVID-19 pandemic.

DFW, still running a fraction of the flights it did a few months ago, operated 12,132 flights in May, far ahead of the No. 2 airport, Chicago O’Hare, according to aviation data company OAG. O’Hare, the biggest hub for Chicago-based United Airlines, had 8,596 flights, OAG said.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... -downturn/

(CNN loves to plug their hometown airport, and they purposely avoid writing positive things about Dallas. They once had an article about the busiest airports in the world. They included rankings using three different criteria. What was funny was that they didn't have three top 10 lists. One list was like the top seven, another was the top four and the other was the top dozen or so. I thought this strange enough that I looked up their source materials. In all three cases the next one on the list -- the first one they left out -- was DFW.)

Doesn't CNN have a bureau in Dallas? If they still do (because I've heard they had one in Dallas before), it would be silly of them to put Dallas down like that if they go to the trouble of having a bureau here. I guess they can present news and data how they want, but you'd think if they really didn't like (or didn't like to mention) Dallas, there wouldn't be/have been a Dallas bureau.

Posted: **05 Jun 2020 08:12**

itsjrd1964 wrote:Doesn't CNN have a bureau in Dallas? If they still do (because I've heard they had one in Dallas before), it would be silly of them to put Dallas down like that if they go to the trouble of having a bureau here. I guess they can present news and data how they want, but you'd think if they really didn't like (or didn't like to mention) Dallas, there wouldn't be/have been a Dallas bureau.

That depends upon why CNN would have a bureau on Dallas or not? Is it to report just the bad news, or does it include good news? Does CNN ever report good news?

Posted: **05 Jun 2020 08:26**

itsjrd1964 wrote:Doesn't CNN have a bureau in Dallas? If they still do (because I've heard they had one in Dallas before), it would be silly of them to put Dallas down like that if they go to the trouble of having a bureau here. I guess they can present news and data how they want, but you'd think if they really didn't like (or didn't like to mention) Dallas, there wouldn't be/have been a Dallas bureau.

I can't tell if it is still there, but the CNN Dallas bureau used to be in One Main Place.

electricron wrote:That depends upon why CNN would have a bureau on Dallas or not? Is it to report just the bad news, or does it include good news? Does CNN ever report good news?

Posted: **05 Jun 2020 09:39**

LOL talk about butthurt. ATL is absolutely the superior airport to DFW in terms of passengers and traffic in normal times. CNN may use weird numbers because Beijing (PEK), Tokyo (HND), and Dubai (DXB) are mixed in there, which would place the top 3 US airports in the top 6 in the world. DFW and AA rely heavily on each other, more than any other hub on any other airline.

ATL is a much better run airport and airspace than here as well.

Posted: **05 Jun 2020 12:01**

itsjrd1964 wrote:Doesn't CNN have a bureau in Dallas? If they still do (because I've heard they had one in Dallas before), it would be silly of them to put Dallas down like that if they go to the trouble of having a bureau here. I guess they can present news and data how they want, but you'd think if they really didn't like (or didn't like to mention) Dallas, there wouldn't be/have been a Dallas bureau.

I knew the head of CNN's Dallas bureau about a dozen years ago. She protested ignorance of any anti-Dallas slant, but not very convincingly. :-)

Posted: **05 Jun 2020 12:05**

flyswatter wrote:ATL is a much better run airport and airspace than here as well.

You've apparently never been through TSA at ATL. :-)

As for the airspace, ATL has a nice little monopoly. They don't have another major airport less than 5 miles away to complicate things.

Posted: **05 Jun 2020 12:27**

All I know is the one experience I had at ATL airport was not a good one but the more times I have flown out of DFW and LUV have been smooth as silk. Course I am more inclined to favor Dallas in any discussion.

Personally I have not noticed an anti-Dallas slant from CNN but I stopped watching cable news networks cause it's rarely actual news reporting no matter who you are watching.

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