DFW Airport

[Chuck246]

So first Iberia and now Finnair. Perhaps Cathay Pacific is next?

https://onemileatatime.com/news/finnair-dallas/

[MC_ScattCat]

I wouldn't count on Cathay given all the HK drama and Covid. I wish though! Other news is BA is bringing the whale to DFW starting in March. I hope Qantas brings theirs back soon too.

[itsjrd1964]

DFW Airport is giving its biggest, busiest terminal a total makeover

Terminal C pre-construction has started, with main construction work underway by 2024. The $2 billion project is set to be complete in 2026.

https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/trav ... enovation/

[tamtagon]

I wonder if DFW is already thinking about Metroplex air taxi service. Would be a 'terminal' built adjacent to the rental car area?

[itsjrd1964]

I wonder if DFW is already thinking about Metroplex air taxi service. Would be a 'terminal' built adjacent to the rental car area?

IDK. I really haven't heard anything since that plan Uber had for a minute. I would think there would have to be special arrangements/plans with the FAA before anything like that could think of getting off the ground (so to speak )

[Tnexster]

FAA put 5G buffer around Dallas Love Field, DFW Airport. What that means for smartphone users
The FAA and the wireless industry agreed to restrict some 5G service around airports for the next six months while the two sides study whether the technology interferes with critical flight instruments.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... one-users/

The mobile phone industry’s major players have agreed to limit 5G phone service around DFW International Airport, Dallas Love Field and 48 other airports nationwide as the aviation and telecommunications industry debate over implementing faster wireless service versus aircraft safety.

That will prevent major cell phone providers AT&T and Verizon from building 5G base stations using the contested C-band spectrum too close to the two North Texas urban airports with hundreds of nearby residents and businesses.

[Tnexster]

Finnair delays first flights from DFW to Helsinki amid staff shortages from COVID-19 and flu
The airline was set to take off on its first DFW to Helsinki flight in early February, but that will have to wait until after the spring break holiday.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... 9-and-flu/

[itsjrd1964]

Air France is returning to DFW; they stopped flying here 2 years ago when the pandemic started. They will fly 777s 5 days a week to Paris-Charles de Gaulle, with service starting March 27.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/business/ai ... s/2881975/

[itsjrd1964]

The parent of Frontier Airlines is acquiring Spirit Airlines; both carriers serve DFW. Once the deal is complete, the merged carrier will be the fifth largest in the US.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-in ... e/2881919/

[itsjrd1964]

More about Iberia.... service will be 4 times weekly (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat) with afternoon arrivals and evening departures. Service will begin June 1 but only until October 29.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/iberia-da ... p-flights/

[itsjrd1964]

Qantas is launching DFW-Melbourne service starting in December. It will fly 4 times a week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday), with afternoon departures and early morning arrivals. It will be one of the world's longest flights (8992 miles). Qantas will use Boeing 787 jets for these flights--not Airbus A380 planes like what has been used for their DFW-Sydney flights.

The article goes on to say that apparently Qantas is reducing their A380 fleet, and will now use 787 jets for their DFW-Sydney flights.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/qantas- ... las-route/

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Qantas planned to uses 787s on the SYD-DFW route, but when that plane was delayed they used 747s and A380s as a temporary replacement -- only to find that not only were the larger planes filling up, but that they needed to add even more flights each week. This route has been a gold mine for them.

Interestingly, when Qantas started flying SYD-DFW it was the longest scheduled route in the world. Now, with the introduction of DFW-MEL, it's down to around #10.

[MC_ScattCat]

So first Iberia and now Finnair. Perhaps Cathay Pacific is next?

https://onemileatatime.com/news/finnair-dallas/

Not a passenger route, but Cathay Pacific will be starting flights from Hong Kong using their A350-900 as "preighters". Shame it's not passenger service, but China/Hong Kong's COVID policy makes that hard to see till they update their restrictions.

[Redblock]

A progress video from the Walsh Group showing finish out work and boarding bridge installation for Terminal C at DFW.


https://fb.watch/c5J_N_6V7I/

[R1070]

Nice. When is the construction on the rest of Terminal C supposed to start?

[itsjrd1964]

DFW has started using recycled cooking oil as part of its jet fuel

https://www.today.com/video/dallas-fort ... 9765317959

[itsjrd1964]

American cuts 7 international routes, shifts New Zealand service to DFW

7 flights are listed as being cut by American, while 1 other flight is being re-routed.

Cut:
* DFW - Tel Aviv
* DFW - Lima (ends November 3)
* DFW - Beijing (returns summer 2023)
(the other 4 involve gateways at Seattle-Tacoma and New York's JFK Airport)

Re-route:
* A previous LAX - Auckland flight will return, but will fly to Auckland from DFW instead. Daily flights will begin October 29 and run through March 25 of next year.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... utes-cuts/

[itsjrd1964]

DFW Airport to test ‘tugbot’ for cargo operations

An automated tug will be tried out at a cargo operation, ferrying cargo between a cargo terminal and a freighter jet. It won't be unmanned though--an employee will be riding along, ready to stop the tug if it goes awry. No word on if any passenger airlines are considering automated tugs for passenger luggage between gates and planes.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/dfw-a ... perations/

[itsjrd1964]

The terminal C work/expansion is complete and opening this week.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... -arriving/

[flyswatter]

Seasonal DFW-MAD flights begin today with Iberia! Operated on an A330.

IB6146 Madrid to Dallas departing 3:55PM arriving 7:50PM
IB6147 Dallas to Madrid departing 9:25PM arriving 2:20PM (+1 day)

[Hannibal Lecter]

International travel surge propels DFW Airport to pre-pandemic levels

Booming foreign flying propelled DFW Airport to its first positive month of passenger traffic compared with 2019.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... ic-levels/

[Chuck246]

Interesting

Dallas Fort Worth Has More Passenger Destinations Than Any Other US Airport This Month

https://simpleflying.com/dallas-fort-wo ... june-2022/

[itsjrd1964]

More about the recent work at Terminal C.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local ... e6b49b01ab

[Hannibal Lecter]

https://www.wfaa.com/article/travel/bri ... dfbda36bdf

A rare, very big bird flies into town: A British Airways Airbus A380 is scheduled to land at DFW Airport on Friday

More visits will follow, but when flight BA 193 lands around 4:55 pm., it will mark the first time a "superjumbo" has arrived at the airport in two-plus years

After more than two years -- or 827 days, to be exact -- without DFW Airport being visited by a single Airbus A380, a British Airways-operated version of this certified chonker is scheduled to arrive in North Texas at 4:55 p.m. on Friday, July 1. It's then slated to fuel up, and turn right back around for a nonstop return flight to London's Heathrow Airport not even three hours later at 7:45 p.m.

But travelers can seemingly expect to see plenty of this big boy in the months to come. At the time of this writing, every single direct, British Airways-branded flight listed on the airline's website from DFW to LHR (and back) between July 1, 2022, and March 24, 2023, is currently slated to be handled by the A380.

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Running a couple hours late: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW ... /EGLL/KDFW

For those interested, like most eastbound widebodies the normal summertime departure will go right over downtown, but with the delay tonight it will be after dark. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW ... /KDFW/EGLL

Ironically, this is replacing the pre-pandemic BA-livery 747 -- one of the most beautiful planes ever --with one of the ugliest planes to ever take flight.

[itsjrd1964]

Another look at Terminal C's recent work, including photos from DFW's Twitter feed.

https://simpleflying.com/dallas-fort-wo ... h-c-gates/

[Tnexster]

Southwest Airlines could expand to DFW Airport in 2025 as Love Field restriction expires
A critical restriction on Dallas-based Southwest Airlines’ expansion in North Texas is set to go away, raising questions and anticipation about the airline’s next move.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... n-expires/

[cowboyeagle05]

Residents near Love will push Southwest to DFW while the city tries to decide if they would rather fight residents/DFW Airport lobbying or work with Southwest to break the chains on Love Field expansion. This will be decided behind closed doors for sure. My question is, what leverage does Southwest have to push for more Love Field gates? They certainly wouldn't threaten to leave the airport that just comes across as too obvious as a toddler refusing to share their toys. Moving more flights to DFW as a tactic would only help the city staff deal with residents who would applaud any closing of tLove field despite the negative economic effects. If they threatened to move their HQ to Fort Worth near DFW airport, I guess that's a bargaining chip they could use.

[flyswatter]

It's definitely a threat for Dallas to add more gates/expand. Love is beyond maxed out.

[Tnexster]

If I had to guess, i would guess that Southwest will take both options. Keep Love and expand to DFW. Makes sense for them and they dominate the in city airport. Why not have it all?

[R1070]

Love needs another 10-12 gates. It could be easy to add those on at each end just to ease congestion and add a few more food options.

[tamtagon]

^there's plenty of room to expand Love Field, and with international gates. That being said, DFW has all the room, and expressed interest in terminals dedicated to transfer/connecting flights, and that would be an ideal setting for Southwest. Competition at DFW really needs another carrier to develop a superhub, and the convenience of a Downtown airport area needs to be the primary focus of carriers at Love Field.

Perhaps Love Field can change the industry by having parameters to reduce noise and air pollution.

[I45Tex]

SWA/LUV at the Once And Future Superhub DFW could grow beyond what Delta used to be there, for sure.

… Love Field will remain the HQ and I don’t see them threatening to leave for another city under any circumstances. However: their traditional model of planes on point to point to point flights where a significant proportion of budget passengers are not booking nonstops?

That is something that could really use the schedule freedom of DFW to serve the most cross-country passengers. For them, the convenience of Love Field to central Dallas destinations is a non-issue, and given that there could be a lot more of them, it’s best to minimize the conflict between their day to day preferences and those of the local constituency.

My sense is that the majority of whatever coalition of neighbors are still resistant to gates at Love (all of whom moved here knowing it was right there) are concerned not by city investment in the airport — which needs to make good use of the billions of tax dollars already responsibly invested there over 105 years, after all — but specifically by the number of flyovers and any perceived impact on private property value numbers and peace of mind/breath.

But if that is a real impact in the first place, then they each already benefited by wanting to buy, and deliberately buying, their neighborhood property at an airport-adjacent discount. Even renters self-selected into that disproportionately affected spot when Love was already operating. Under the circumstances then, I think it’s frankly unfair of any of them to act like their voice and needs should count proportionately more than, or even the same as, the rest of Dallas citizens’ within an urban policy debate. —No, they don’t need to ethically recuse themselves from trying to weigh in, yet also their self-interested financial bias in the deal (something that does not bias the average citizen on this topic) is clearly, clearly not what a normal voter would think is best for Dallas’ past/present/future public.

[MC_ScattCat]

Both airports have room to expand terminals. I see a O'Hare or Bush situation for SWA here. I would think they would start international flights out of DFW for starters. Only issue there is at which gates? Both airports are maxed out on gates and need expansions soon. I hope Terminal F gets put back on the front burner soon.

[itsjrd1964]

If Southwest goes to DFW, would they end up with their own terminal? I wouldn't guess American would be in any mood to share.

[IcedCowboyCoffee]

Both airports have room to expand terminals. I see a O'Hare or Bush situation for SWA here. I would think they would start international flights out of DFW for starters. Only issue there is at which gates? Both airports are maxed out on gates and need expansions soon. I hope Terminal F gets put back on the front burner soon.

Yeah, Terminal F needs to get started ASAP because it's likely 10 years out from opening its doors. There will be crowding pain well before then considering how quickly airline travel rebounded.
I just hope they've used the extra time to get the designs and details worked out so that all that's left to be done is give the thumbs up to the shovel hitting dirt.

[flyswatter]

SWA would only need 1-2 gates to get 20-30 departures a day. Probably a similar gameplan as IAH or ORD if they expand to DFW. They have 2 gates and 28 departures out of ORD.

I'm still a doubter and this is a public way to tell Dallas to get started on expansion plans for Love.

[Tnexster]

Frontier Airlines to open new crew base at DFW Airport

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... -base.html

[Hannibal Lecter]

PSA Announces DFW Crew Base, set to open Q1 2023

https://www.psaairlines.com/news/psa-an ... en-q1-2023

The word is that PSA -- which currently doesn't even fly to DFW -- has been doing such a good job for the AA mothership that they'll be taking over routes currently served by Mesa and Republic Airways.

[itsjrd1964]

Qantas adds new direct flight from Dallas-Fort Worth to Melbourne, Australia

It will operate on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays, and flights will use Boeing 787 dreamliner jets (not Airbus A380, like DFW-Sydney flights have used before).

https://fortworth.culturemap.com/news/t ... w-airport/

[Tucy]

SWA would only need 1-2 gates to get 20-30 departures a day. Probably a similar gameplan as IAH or ORD if they expand to DFW. They have 2 gates and 28 departures out of ORD.

I'm still a doubter and this is a public way to tell Dallas to get started on expansion plans for Love.

Pretty sure they have 3 gates at ORD. Actually, it looks like they are using 4 gates -- M34, M35, M37, M39

[itsjrd1964]

EatZi's fans are getting another local location. They are going to locate in an upcoming 4-gate southern extension of terminal D. It will be smaller than the usual size EatZi's locations.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/travel/eat ... ae0e5aa0bc

[Matt777]

EatZi's fans are getting another local location. They are going to locate in an upcoming 4-gate southern extension of terminal D. It will be smaller than the usual size EatZi's locations.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/travel/eat ... ae0e5aa0bc

This was announced back in 2020. I thought it had opened already?
The 4 gate extension has been open for well over a year now, and Cake Bar was already open when I used the new extension back in Fall 2021.

[itsjrd1964]

EatZi's fans are getting another local location. They are going to locate in an upcoming 4-gate southern extension of terminal D. It will be smaller than the usual size EatZi's locations.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/travel/eat ... ae0e5aa0bc

This was announced back in 2020. I thought it had opened already?
The 4 gate extension has been open for well over a year now, and Cake Bar was already open when I used the new extension back in Fall 2021.

Oops, I guess I don't get to the airport often enough.

[cowboyeagle05]

I will be curious if the product quality will be the same. Anyone who knows how these airport restaurant vendors work is it's not the actual company running these locations. A hospitality company gets the right to use the name and sell products with the company that owns the brand as a consultant. I've seen a lot of Dallas restaurants turn down going in at the airports cause the companies that have the contracts to run all these retail and restaurants don't care as much about being true to the brand as much as they care about just peddling goods someone else's brand investment has created recognizable value. It's one thing to add a McDonald's or Starbucks cause those brands have everything documented to a repeatable science cause they try to make their product like an industrial repeated optimized to the hilt service/product. It's another when you try to bring something artisanal, more unique or labor intensive that isn't ready-made freezer stored and defrosted and microwaved to the consumer. Eatzis is a chain for sure but their type of product is pricey and wasteful in cost if not applied correctly. Will this truly be an "Eatzi's" or a very watered-down ghost of the brand?

[interestedobserver]

A hospitality company gets the right to use the name and sell products with the company that owns the brand as a consultant.

Very interesting. I did not know that. No wonder DFW eateries are usually terrible.

I recall when Terminal D first opened it had a La Duni that bombed. I think part of the issue was that it was upstairs on a landing and hard to find, but perhaps what you mention above was an issue. Anyone have any insight?

The location for this Eatzi’s is terrible. The Terminal D extension is so far out of the way (my unverified analysis is that those gates, aside from *maybe* the Terminal E satellite gates, are the farthest distance from a Skylink station of any DFW gates). It won’t be convenient for anyone unless they are flying out of the extension or if they have a long time before their flight.

[Addison]

A hospitality company gets the right to use the name and sell products with the company that owns the brand as a consultant.

Is that just a long-winded way of saying "franchise?"

[cowboyeagle05]

My overall point is that when these places open don't expect the chefs that work at the real locations to have any real impact on the Airport locations and or produce the same food you may love and have enjoyed. The Airport just buys the rights to the name so the airport can pretend it's got some sort of diversity in supporting local businesses when in fact, it's one or two catering companies running all the restaurants sourcing ingredients from their already established sources to keep costs low. The restaurants that participate enjoy the check, and I am sure some are fine with it, but some that have come and gone left for a reason cause they didn't get to actually run the location to ensure the experience is to their expectations.

WHatburger, Mcdonald's, and Chillis its fine. They already have systems in place to deal with maintaining brand continuity through franchise relationships. It's the local brands that suffer in these deals in some form or another, but it does make DFW Airport look like they are integrating more than chains.

[itsjrd1964]

I guess it's almost like Hudson News running all or some of the terminal newsstands at an airport. It may or may not have Hudson's name on the facade, but in many cases, Hudson is the one running them.

[Matt777]

The location for this Eatzi’s is terrible. The Terminal D extension is so far out of the way (my unverified analysis is that those gates, aside from *maybe* the Terminal E satellite gates, are the farthest distance from a Skylink station of any DFW gates). It won’t be convenient for anyone unless they are flying out of the extension or if they have a long time before their flight.

Oh yeah, I forgot how far the terminal D extension was from the rest of the gates. When I used it, it was a pretty long walk of nothing from the main part of D. Nobody will use it unless they are using those 4 gates. I wonder if that's enough to sustain them. Could be, if the location is small enough and they're just trucking in grab and go items from the other Eatzi's locations. But it would have been better to have this somewhere else in D.

Overall, we should have more of our local gem restaurants represented at DFW.
Rodeo Goat, Sixty Vines, Village Baking, East Hampton Sandwich, Mi Cocina, and Mike's Chicken would all be good adds in my opinion.

[Matt777]

The location for this Eatzi’s is terrible. The Terminal D extension is so far out of the way (my unverified analysis is that those gates, aside from *maybe* the Terminal E satellite gates, are the farthest distance from a Skylink station of any DFW gates). It won’t be convenient for anyone unless they are flying out of the extension or if they have a long time before their flight.

Oh yeah, I forgot how far the terminal D extension was from the rest of the gates. When I used it, it was a pretty long walk of nothing from the main part of D. Nobody will use it unless they are using those 4 gates. I wonder if that's enough to sustain them. Could be, if the location is small enough and they're just trucking in grab and go items from the other Eatzi's locations. But it would have been better to have this somewhere else in D.

Overall, we should have more of our local gem restaurants represented at DFW.
Rodeo Goat, Sixty Vines, Village Baking, East Hampton Sandwich, Mi Cocina, and Mike's Chicken would all be good adds in my opinion. Or some of Nick Badonivus' concepts.