MATA: M-Line Trolley

muncien · Postby **muncien** » 03 Nov 2017 09:50

With all that development going on up that way, there has to be a big increase in funds coming in... assuming assessors are doing their job right (which isn't always the case).

tanzoak · Postby **tanzoak** » 03 Nov 2017 12:29

Right now they're using the money to support the Knox Complete Streets project. The MATA extension would be the next logical project (assuming they re-up the district this year). The PID gets $300k a year for a quite small area.

http://www.dallasecodev.org/429/Knox-Street-PID

joshua.dodd · Postby **joshua.dodd** » 03 Nov 2017 15:16

I believe the funds are coming from federal grants. Since the MATA has taken federal grant money, there have been a lot of changes in the business now that it is under federal mandates. But, as I am aware, the Knox Henderson is going to happen.

tanzoak · Postby **tanzoak** » 03 Nov 2017 16:00

Mm as far as I know, there hasn't been any money put towards an extension yet, I don't think? There was a request to NCTCOG earlier this year for $1mil for a study, but I don't know what the status of that is.

electricron · Postby **electricron** » 06 Nov 2017 01:51

tanzoak wrote:Right now they're using the money to support the Knox Complete Streets project. The MATA extension would be the next logical project (assuming they re-up the district this year). The PID gets $300k a year for a quite small area.

A fair estimate of costs based on twice the MATA extension in downtown Dallas because a Kox extension would be twice as far, would be around $20 million,
Sources of data
https://dartdallas.dart.org/2015/05/04/ ... wn-access/
http://www.apta.com/resources/hottopics ... -Sheet.pdf
Yes, both web sites report nearly $10 million for just 0.65 (2/3rds) mile extension.
An extension loop to Knox up McKinney and down Cole will be at least 1.3 miles in length.
FYI
http://dallascityhall.com/government/ci ... tation.pdf

DART and NCTCOG provided the local match for the FTA funding. Do you think DART would provide more when they'll be asked to fund the Knox-Henderson subway station for this MATA expansion to meet?

Postby **cowboyeagle05** » 06 Nov 2017 13:02

tanzoak wrote:Mm as far as I know, there hasn't been any money put towards an extension yet, I don't think? There was a request to NCTCOG earlier this year for $1mil for a study, but I don't know what the status of that is.

Yeah, that study was funded and all parties are in agreement that they will move the Knox extension along as funding can be gathered for it. MATA wants it, the city wants it and the NTCOG will contribute to its funding as well.

Postby **lakewoodhobo** » 09 Nov 2017 17:23

Progress on ex-Toronto PCC #4614 per MATA's Facebook page.

Cbdallas · Postby **Cbdallas** » 10 Nov 2017 14:43

Does anyone know what happened to EMMA I have not seen her run in a long while.

northsouth · Postby **northsouth** » 10 Nov 2017 17:01

I vaguely recall hearing it had some electrical component fail a few months ago, can't remember where or when though. I'm just glad they're back to having enough operable cars to run three in regular service, instead of just two like they did for a while.

Haretip · Postby **Haretip** » 15 Nov 2017 10:15

New track construction to connect new carban space in the M-Line tower. (Photo from MATA facebook).

joshua.dodd · Postby **joshua.dodd** » 16 Nov 2017 02:38

Cbdallas wrote:Does anyone know what happened to EMMA I have not seen her run in a long while.

Emma's sitting in the barn. She often has trouble when she goes into service. Nothing has been done with her yet as workers are working on the ex Toronto car at the moment.

joshua.dodd · Postby **joshua.dodd** » 16 Nov 2017 02:40

northsouth wrote:I vaguely recall hearing it had some electrical component fail a few months ago, can't remember where or when though. I'm just glad they're back to having enough operable cars to run three in regular service, instead of just two like they did for a while.

They will be running three cars by January. So far they have only been running two.

Postby **cowboyeagle05** » 16 Nov 2017 13:58

Someone needs to make an identification card for the trolley cars. I've been on this forum since middle school and I still don't know the name of the streetcars matched with their appearance and or number. I think the only two I knew for a while was the Green Dragon and Rosie.

The new MATA website has this page now but no pictures...http://mata.org/cars/ Emma isnt even listed on there and I would love to be able to follow things a little easier when they do a social media post about a car every now and then.

Tivo_Kenevil · Postby **Tivo_Kenevil** » 16 Nov 2017 15:52

Don't they have their names on them?

Postby **cowboyeagle05** » 16 Nov 2017 16:23

Some do yes. If you google a few they show up like Rosie and the Green Dragon but since the names are pretty commonplace on the forum on this thread I would appreciate a cheat sheet for referencing when some of you go back and forth like everyone is in on the joke. Like what the name of the metal one the most contemporary one they have been using? I think it's from Belgium or something.

Haretip · Postby **Haretip** » 16 Nov 2017 17:04

The metal contemporary car is Emma or 7169 and is from Belgium. Usually wrapped in a beer advertisement and currently not in service due to a faulty relay. Check this page for car pictures, numbers and names:

http://www.mata.org/aboutus.html

Tivo_Kenevil · Postby **Tivo_Kenevil** » 16 Nov 2017 17:12

I know the wrapping helps with cost. But that really kills the charm from these beautiful cars

electricron · Postby **electricron** » 16 Nov 2017 18:07

Here’s their names with links to their photos.
The Crescent Rose or Rosie (Car 122)
http://mata.org/wp-content/uploads/2017 ... 60-674.jpg
The Green Dragon (Car 186)
http://www.uptowndallas.net/assets/UDI- ... rolley.jpg
Matilda (Car 369)
http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/6 ... 331763.jpg
Putlina (Car 636)
http://www.jtbell.net/transit/images/Da ... Place2.jpg
Betty (Car 754)
http://www.sustainablecitynews.com/wp-c ... .21.23.jpg
Emma (Car 7169)
http://www.sustainablecitynews.com/wp-c ... G_1675.jpg
PCC from Toronto (Car 4614) Has it a name yet?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOJVNJJUMAAFBav.jpg

As for wrappings, only the steel body cars have them that i'm aware of, and that leaves just Emma as being wrapped today. The PCC car will have a steel body, so it will probably get wrapped soon after it's running on the line. Vinyl wrappings don't stick to wood well, thankfully.

northsouth · Postby **northsouth** » 16 Nov 2017 19:18

electricron wrote:PCC from Toronto (Car 4614) Has it a name yet?

From an old comment on the MATA Facebook page, " 612 will be named Margaret, after Margaret Crow, for Trammell Crow's gracious funding support in 612's rebuild." Seems likely to me that they'll transfer the name to 4614.

joshua.dodd wrote:So far they have only been running two.

Huh, a few weeks ago I checked the tracker and they had three cars running. Oh well.

joshua.dodd · Postby **joshua.dodd** » 16 Nov 2017 23:09

Yeah, the third one was Emma. But she had a malfunction and has been in the barn. She should be running Friday.

Cbdallas · Postby **Cbdallas** » 17 Nov 2017 15:04

Can't wait to see here again and ride. I somehow never got to ride Emma never was in rotation when I was waiting at the stop.

Postby **lakewoodhobo** » 28 Nov 2018 11:21

#4614 making its maiden voyage. Never thought I'd see the Toronto PCC restored.

Screen Shot 2018-11-28 at 11.19.12 AM.jpg

Postby **tamtagon** » 28 Nov 2018 11:25

What's up with the extension to Knox?

Tivo_Kenevil · Postby **Tivo_Kenevil** » 28 Nov 2018 12:26

I wish modern street cars had better design. The PCC streetcars look so much better, I think because of the use of straight lines.. The modern streetcar in Dallas and in other cities, the Brookville Liberty model, look like Zingers Pastries.

flyswatter · Postby **flyswatter** » 28 Nov 2018 12:27

That's one sweet looking car. Looks like a freaking tank too. How big is it compared to Matilda?

Postby **cowboyeagle05** » 28 Nov 2018 16:44

Supposedly the ride is smoother on these PCC cars and it looks like the capacity for connecting lots of rider to Klyde Warren will be a lot better considering ever since the park opened MATA ridership has increased.

Haretip · Postby **Haretip** » 28 Nov 2018 18:46

369 Specs:
• Built: 1913
• Length: 47'10.4"
• Width: 7'6"
• Height: 10'5.6"
• Weight: 21 tons
• Motor: Four MV101 40-horsepower, 600-volt DC motors (

4614
• Built: 1951
• Length: 46'6"
• Width: 8'4"
• Height: 10'3"
• Weight: 19 tons
• Motor: Four WH 1432J 55 horsepower DC motors (220 total HP)

Postby **lakewoodhobo** » 30 Jan 2019 10:51

Posted on the Park District Facebook page, although I'm sure the photo came from MATA.

LongonBigD · Postby **LongonBigD** » 30 Jan 2019 11:29

I am digging those white sidewalls!

Cbdallas · Postby **Cbdallas** » 30 Jan 2019 14:59

Have not been inside yet but have seen it on the go and it is a beauty. We need more of these and the extension to Knox.

Postby **dfwcre8tive** » 30 Jan 2019 16:18

Cbdallas wrote:Have not been inside yet but have seen it on the go and it is a beauty. We need more of these and the extension to Knox.

And need some double-ended cars painted in the Dallas PCC livery (like this one in San Francisco that I see nearly every day).

art_suckz · Postby **art_suckz** » 01 Feb 2019 10:39

My god... I've been waiting for this for soooo long. This makes me happier than D2... cotton belt, platform extensions, 3 car DART trains and the Modern streetcar combined. The only thing I'd get more excited about is the DAL-HOU Shinkansen.

Tivo_Kenevil · Postby **Tivo_Kenevil** » 01 Feb 2019 12:23

What is up with the Mats extension?

Postby **cowboyeagle05** » 07 Feb 2019 18:32

Its probably tied in with delays on the Knox Complete street project. I think the Trolley extension would be a part of the conversion project of converting Cole and Mckinney to two-way streets which was only recently approved for some funding. Please though anyone feel free to correct me where I am wrong.

Postby **lakewoodhobo** » 19 Feb 2019 15:27

Seen today. Wow, this thing is massive.

IMG_6255.jpg

Cbdallas · Postby **Cbdallas** » 20 Feb 2019 15:24

I am loving this new car and the extra capacity it adds to the system. Hope to some day see this car cross Knox street with the expansion.

Postby **cowboyeagle05** » 24 Feb 2019 14:17

These new old cars are great for making MATA a more useful transportation system for Uptown. The smaller cars were cute and a great love but these new old metal streetcars will add capacity and still hold the historical attractiveness that MATA has been able to capitalize on.

dzh · Postby **dzh** » 13 May 2020 10:34

Just a fun thing, no real update or news:

By the Trader Joe’s on Cole, they’re tearing up the street and you can see the old streetcar rails. What I would give to see streetcars on that part of Cole lol

Postby **cowboyeagle05** » 16 May 2020 12:11

^Well its in the plans to bring it that far eventually. MATA and the city want to go to Knox.