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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby The_Overdog » 20 Mar 2019 15:15

Platform extensions will add to DART construction mess - I guess the Galatyn and downtown Plano stations will be among the first to be extended.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby northsouth » 20 Mar 2019 20:15

Well the last time wasn't a full replacement, just a few spots that needed it most. The rest is being replaced this time, and what was replaced in the past is staying. It's why there's that gap in the tracks at West End that makes a racket every time a train runs over it, it's a joint between some of the rails that were replaced and those that weren't.

I remember when they did those replacements a few years ago, they said they had originally been counting of D2 happening on schedule (originally a very optimistic 2014) in order to take the load off the tracks, since they only anticipated a few years of running 4 lines worth of trains on them. Also with D2, there would be a route to maintain service through downtown while the old tracks were fixed. But because D2 was delayed, and rail traffic levels would stay at 4 lines for the foreseeable future, they needed to take care of the most worn out sections before they became more of a problem (keep in mind these tracks have seen heavy use every day since 1996). Now the time and money has come to take care of the rest of downtown, which has continued to see wear and tear since the first round of replacements. Additionally, they're taking advantage of the rebuild to add a crossover halfway through to allow trains to pass (if possible) when there's a blockage instead of just shutting down downtown.

It's not unheard of for light rail systems of DART's age or older to deal with rail replacement needs. I know Portland's system recently had some shutdowns to replace parts of their downtown trackage. And at least we're not Los Angeles, where the southern half of their Blue Line has been shut down from January to May for a rail replacement/wire replacement/general refurbishment, and the northern half will do the same from May to July. It's a normal part of running a railway of any sort, and it's better to take care of it before it becomes an even bigger issue.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby itsjrd1964 » 20 Mar 2019 20:58

It would be good if they would work on the street crossings there, especially Pearl, Griffin, and Lamar. They are so rough.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 20 Mar 2019 22:18

Griffin is a disaster. I don't know which is more inexcusable -- that DART thinks it's acceptable, or that the city let's then get away with it.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby DPatel304 » 28 Mar 2019 16:01

This was posted on the DART Facebook page today. Probably of no significance, but it's a rendering of a completely Trinity River park along with some development along the Riverfront blvd:
https://www.facebook.com/DARTDallas/vid ... 743278415/

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby IntegratedCircuit » 20 Apr 2019 12:02

Just missed my train at Galatyn, so wandered around to see if there was any sign of progress since they supposedly started work on platform extensions a couple weeks ago. All I saw were barricades at the south end of the platform and a “2” and “3” in orange spray paint on the northbound track, presumably where the new stop marks will be once extensions are done.
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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby itsjrd1964 » 03 Jun 2019 13:51

I wonder, how much longer it will be before we see new light rail cars replacing the ones that mostly date to 1996. DART has recently approached Stadler about new FLIRT cars for the upcoming Silver Line.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby longhorn » 03 Jun 2019 15:55

https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/co ... -contract/

New FlIRTS trains like the ones FTW has are on the way for Cotton Belt.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 03 Jun 2019 16:51

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas/ ... mous-buses

In Dallas, for example, DART ridership has decreased every year for the past five years — even though the Dallas-Fort Worth area is one of the fastest-growing regions in the U.S. From 2013 to 2018, average weekday ridership on light rail and buses dropped about 13 percent to 194,495.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Jbarn » 04 Jun 2019 08:05

Hannibal Lecter wrote:https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas/2019/06/03/dart-hired-uber-drive-around-riders-now-considering-autonomous-buses

In Dallas, for example, DART ridership has decreased every year for the past five years — even though the Dallas-Fort Worth area is one of the fastest-growing regions in the U.S. From 2013 to 2018, average weekday ridership on light rail and buses dropped about 13 percent to 194,495.


I wonder how that 10 year bus route overhaul is coming along. DART always seems to be more concerned about headlines and that next big project rather than running an effective, usable, customer-centric agency. The whole DART board needs to be replaced with people that actually use the system.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby itsjrd1964 » 05 Jun 2019 02:21

Jbarn wrote:
Hannibal Lecter wrote:https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas/2019/06/03/dart-hired-uber-drive-around-riders-now-considering-autonomous-buses

In Dallas, for example, DART ridership has decreased every year for the past five years — even though the Dallas-Fort Worth area is one of the fastest-growing regions in the U.S. From 2013 to 2018, average weekday ridership on light rail and buses dropped about 13 percent to 194,495.


I wonder how that 10 year bus route overhaul is coming along. DART always seems to be more concerned about headlines and that next big project rather than running an effective, usable, customer-centric agency. The whole DART board needs to be replaced with people that actually use the system.


This linkie was posted here at the forum in mid-May about the bus "overhaul", but mainly to introduce the arrival of 41 new buses to the fleet. They are reportedly to be used in certain 'core routes' that DART plans to name in August when schedule/route adjustments take place.

https://www.dart.org/news/news.asp?ID=1392

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Redblock » 05 Jun 2019 10:20

Here is the link to the changes coming to the bus routes on August 12.

https://www.dart.org/incs/meetingsincs/ ... #establish

Note: Core Frequent Route Network is DARTspeak for running buses on near light rail frequencies and service hours.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Jbarn » 06 Jun 2019 13:02

I guess I was under the impression that DART would be doing a total reconfiguring of its entire bus route, similar to what Houston did a few years back, especially given that DART needed 10 years to complete it. DART is too focused on getting national press. They need to redirect their energy to getting the most folks to the most places as quickly and efficiently as possible.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Tucy » 06 Jun 2019 20:39

Speaking of ridership, here are the numbers for average weekday ridership at the DFW station:

FY 2014: 922
FY 2015: 898
FY 2016: 968
FY 2017: 976
FY 2018: 929

DFW Airport passenger traffic in roughly that time period increased 14.35%. The population of the Dallas side of the metroplex increased by 8.72%. DART ridership at the DFW Airport station increased by 0.76% (from an already low number). What were those ridership projections again?

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby ContriveDallasite » 06 Jun 2019 22:59

I would also be interested in a further passenger breakdown between travellers and people travelling to the airport for work.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Jbarn » 07 Jun 2019 07:12

I ride the train regularly from the Bachman station to DFW airport and then back again. I have been doing it for the last few years and have done it at all different times of the day, morning, evening, rush-hour, etc... I can tell you that those numbers, although pitiful, are probably exaggerated. I am usually one of about 5-10 people on the train, and typically half of those are homeless people camped out in the back. I have not once been asked for my ticket. And have seen maybe one officer on the train ever.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Cbdallas » 07 Jun 2019 12:05

Putting ticket takers on every train while costly would make the train feel more inviting to paying customers while removing those that don't pay or use the train as a homeless shelter which drives more paying riders away from using the train. If I could go back in time I would have insisted they gate the entire system creating a barrier to non paying riders and the homeless.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby mdg109 » 07 Jun 2019 12:45

I rode the train on a Sunday evening from Mockingbird Station to Galatyn Park Station in Richardson. The ride itself was really efficient, but everything else about my trip discourages even a supporter like me from taking Dart. Number 1, the ticket kiosks were out of order. Ended up downloading the app on the spot to get my ticket.Once at the platform, (I had forgotten about the Dart rail construction going on) I had to figure out that my train going north was actually on the southbound platform. Although there were two Dart officials on the train, no one ever asked for a ticket. There were homeless people getting on and off, which I wouldn't mind if more people were on the train. I agree with Cbdallas, having regular ticket takers would make it feel more secure and inviting.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Jbarn » 08 Jun 2019 07:32

Cbdallas wrote:Putting ticket takers on every train while costly would make the train feel more inviting to paying customers while removing those that don't pay or use the train as a homeless shelter which drives more paying riders away from using the train. If I could go back in time I would have insisted they gate the entire system creating a barrier to non paying riders and the homeless.


Actually, forgot to say that last time I rode, every single ticket machine at Bachman station and DFW stations were either out of order or accepted only credit cards, only coins, etc... and this is not uncommon. I have notified the rare employee that I see at the stations but they don’t seem to really care. DART needs turnstiles at every station, working equipment, officers at every station that actually do their job instead of sitting in their cars or on their phones, some sort of presence on the trains, etc.... if I were a single female, a family, or even a business person, riding the train to and fro DFW airport, there would have been many times that I have ridden the train that would have scared me from ever doing it again. The problem I think is due to the fact that the folks that run DART more than likely never ever use the system.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Parker Road » 08 Jun 2019 09:02

The problem I think is due to the fact that the folks that run DART more than likely never ever use the system.

I can't be the only person that finds it a bit ridiculous that DART's headquarters downtown, right next to akard station, has a private underground parking garage (https://maps.app.goo.gl/EtZWogQ5mySt5quv5). I get it's likely there due to parking minimums; but not only is the irony palpable, it also serves as encouragement for transit officials to neglect the system they oversee.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby electricron » 08 Jun 2019 09:09

Parker Road wrote:I can't be the only person that finds it a bit ridiculous that DART's headquarters downtown, right next to akard station, has a private underground parking garage (https://maps.app.goo.gl/EtZWogQ5mySt5quv5). I get it's likely there due to parking minimums; but not only is the irony palpable, it also serves as encouragement for transit officials to neglect the system they oversee.

Considering the history of the building, I do not think it is ridiculous. I can not imagine a huge department store located in downtown Dallas existing without parking.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby Parker Road » 08 Jun 2019 09:28

electricron wrote:
Parker Road wrote:I can't be the only person that finds it a bit ridiculous that DART's headquarters downtown, right next to akard station, has a private underground parking garage (https://maps.app.goo.gl/EtZWogQ5mySt5quv5). I get it's likely there due to parking minimums; but not only is the irony palpable, it also serves as encouragement for transit officials to neglect the system they oversee.

Considering the history of the building, I do not think it is ridiculous. I can not imagine a huge department store located in downtown Dallas existing without parking.

Ah, true, I completely neglected to think about that aspect (former tenants), good point. Still is weird to me though, but I suppose it makes more sense than opening it to the public. Maybe in the far future, once ground level parking is less prevalent downtown, DART could make a little bit of extra revenue by charging high rates for the public to park there. That way employees won't be encouraged to drive.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby lakewoodhobo » 01 Jul 2019 14:33

Parker Road wrote:Ah, true, I completely neglected to think about that aspect (former tenants), good point. Still is weird to me though, but I suppose it makes more sense than opening it to the public. Maybe in the far future, once ground level parking is less prevalent downtown, DART could make a little bit of extra revenue by charging high rates for the public to park there. That way employees won't be encouraged to drive.


Depending on what happens with 1401 Elm, DART may revisit the idea of selling 1401 Pacific and then the question becomes where to move. They could redevelop the East Transfer Center and build themselves a decent office tower there, but they would no longer be adjacent to the transit mall.

However, if D2 does get built then 1401 Pacific would only be on the Red and Blue lines. This location on the East Transfer Center would be a short walk from a D2 or D1 station.

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Re: Dallas Area Rapid Transit

Postby quixomniac » 01 Jul 2019 17:52

lakewoodhobo wrote:
Parker Road wrote:Ah, true, I completely neglected to think about that aspect (former tenants), good point. Still is weird to me though, but I suppose it makes more sense than opening it to the public. Maybe in the far future, once ground level parking is less prevalent downtown, DART could make a little bit of extra revenue by charging high rates for the public to park there. That way employees won't be encouraged to drive.


Depending on what happens with 1401 Elm, DART may revisit the idea of selling 1401 Pacific and then the question becomes where to move. They could redevelop the East Transfer Center and build themselves a decent office tower there, but they would no longer be adjacent to the transit mall.

However, if D2 does get built then 1401 Pacific would only be on the Red and Blue lines. This location on the East Transfer Center would be a short walk from a D2 or D1 station.


That would be a dream come true!.
It was previously a Sanger Harris, That they removed the mural should be a crime honestly
The synergy between those two would be amazing. Given the columns and hopefully someone with a good eye can redevelop it into something that actually takes advantage of the placement.
Perhaps Dart can move elsewhere , like West end (apparently El Centro might move?)


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