itsjrd1964 wrote:It took a *while*, but now the TexRail route has started appearing on printed maps as well as those on displays at train stations/transit centers. Some of the maps (not unlike for other routes) are more than a bit out-of-whack and not to scale.
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This one is an inset of downtown Fort Worth.
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A printed version, on the back page of the latest DART rail timetable guide.
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Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Any particular reason why were seeing growth? Does anyone know if companies are providing passes to employees? This certainly is an encouraging trend.
Jbarn wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Any particular reason why were seeing growth? Does anyone know if companies are providing passes to employees? This certainly is an encouraging trend.
And in the meantime, DARTS orange line train to and from DFW is virtually empty at all times, which is very discouraging. 95% of the people I talk to don’t even know it exists.
Jbarn wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Any particular reason why were seeing growth? Does anyone know if companies are providing passes to employees? This certainly is an encouraging trend.
And in the meantime, DARTS orange line train to and from DFW is virtually empty at all times, which is very discouraging. 95% of the people I talk to don’t even know it exists.
Jbarn wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Any particular reason why were seeing growth? Does anyone know if companies are providing passes to employees? This certainly is an encouraging trend.
And in the meantime, DARTS orange line train to and from DFW is virtually empty at all times, which is very discouraging. 95% of the people I talk to don’t even know it exists.
art_suckz wrote:The DART train to DFW was scary af when I used it... a lot of people arguing and fighting with each other and the smell of urine was noticeable... When the train stopped at DFW, no one got off... they were just using it as a mobile shelter. It may have been because it was early morning and cold out when I rode it but that route is seriously messed up.
Jbarn wrote:art_suckz wrote:The DART train to DFW was scary af when I used it... a lot of people arguing and fighting with each other and the smell of urine was noticeable... When the train stopped at DFW, no one got off... they were just using it as a mobile shelter. It may have been because it was early morning and cold out when I rode it but that route is seriously messed up.
No, that is the way it has been the vast majority of time I have ridden it to and from DFW also, scary and intimidating. But it is convenient for me, so I continue to use it. I can see how it would scare a lot of people from using it though. I seriously am not sure what DART’s officers do other than stand around on their cell phones. And I have been asked only 1 time to show my ticket, out of dozens of trips. DART needs some serious changes.
muncien wrote:A commuter rail network managed by NCTCOG makes perfect sense and would be great to see one day. I've always said that having a commuter network for the area is hugely important for creating a viable transit system, and having it operated by NCTCOG will allow DART to focus more specifically on improving it's own service area. With tech where it is today, cross platform ticketing should be a piece of cake. The only things I've always dreaded about multiple agencies is when they're ticketing doesn't work together. Let's hope they don't screw that up.
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Also, DART isn't ever happy with focusing on Dallas. Having NTCOG take over a commuter line would leave DART confused on what its job is. They only know how to chase the suburban office worker. Plus DARTs current trains are commuter trains. They focus primarily on getting suburbanites into Downtown and back. Inner-city travel has never been DARTs strong suit and or focus. We have proven time and time again that DART chases those wishing to get into Downtown and out and rarely cares about getting people from Mockingbird Station to Victory Park for example. The whole technology package they choose is about commuters.
electricron wrote:cowboyeagle05 wrote:Also, DART isn't ever happy with focusing on Dallas.
What is so wrong with worrying more about commuters than inner city travel?
tamtagon wrote:By neglecting the inner city mobility, the transit agencies (TXDoT being the biggest perpetrator) fail to serve both populations, commuters and city dwellers. Overlooking inner city mobility is just as bad for the suburban commuter as it would be to omit suburban neighborhood connecting streets for the visiting city dweller.
The_Overdog wrote:The raillines being built aren't even serving the suburbs passing through them well. Somehow the bus depots are even worse. It's one thing to say that they should get 50% of the service since they provide 50% of the budget but it's another thing to allocate that funding in a useful manner.
electricron wrote:tamtagon wrote:By neglecting the inner city mobility, the transit agencies (TXDoT being the biggest perpetrator) fail to serve both populations, commuters and city dwellers. Overlooking inner city mobility is just as bad for the suburban commuter as it would be to omit suburban neighborhood connecting streets for the visiting city dweller.
I do not agree that DART has been neglecting inner city mobility.
DART light rail system has a total of 64 train stations, 44 of them (69%) are within the city limits of Dallas. That's more than 2 out of 3.
DART bus system has a total of 121 bus routes with 14,000 bus stops, please do not suggest the vast majority of them are not located within Dallas.
bachmanlad wrote:A 33% growth in ridership in less than eight months of service! With no context, that sounds like great news, but I don't know what the projections were.
Tucy wrote:The not-very-ambitious projection was 9,000 daily by the end of year one - at least 4-5 times the number they appear likely to achieve.
Tucy wrote:October numbers are now available. They are now up 27% over the first full month of regular service:
February 2019 ridership: 32,998
March 2019: 39,093
April 2019: 33,589
May 2019: 35,878
June 2019: 39,154
July 2019: 41,818
August 2019: 42,637
September 2019: 43,757
October 2019: 41,943
But even so, the number of passengers riding TEXRail is nowhere near the level that transit planners and supporters originally forecast. According to documents filed with the Federal Transit Administration in TEXRail’s applications for federal grant funding, TEXRail was expected to have about 8,300 riders per day by the end of its first year.
But instead, today the typical TEXRail ridership is closer to 2,000 passengers per day — less than a fourth of the original forecast.
Tucy wrote:February 2019 ridership: 32,998
March 2019: 39,093
April 2019: 33,589
May 2019: 35,878
June 2019: 39,154
July 2019: 41,818
August 2019: 42,637
September 2019: 43,757
October 2019: 41,943
November 2019: 44,741 (1,491 per day; about 21 people per train)
December 2019: 51,217 (per the FTW Star Telegram article linked above)
TNWE wrote:Tucy wrote:February 2019 ridership: 32,998
March 2019: 39,093
April 2019: 33,589
May 2019: 35,878
June 2019: 39,154
July 2019: 41,818
August 2019: 42,637
September 2019: 43,757
October 2019: 41,943
November 2019: 44,741 (1,491 per day; about 21 people per train)
December 2019: 51,217 (per the FTW Star Telegram article linked above)
Does anyone know what the Jan 2019 ridership was (or if they even kept count)? I know it was free to ride last January, but given that it'll probably be a while before it even gets close to the projections, the next best measure of success would be whether or not TEXRail has created new, fare-paying transit users who tried it when it was free and continued riding after they implemented fares.
On a related tangent, I'm curious what effect (if any) it's had on TRE ridership to the airport? The two-bus connection from Centerport was terrible, but it did get used, mainly by employees. Unless you live really close to Richland Hills or Bell, I imagine TexRail is faster for anyone in Fort Worth or the Mid cities.
Tucy wrote:
98,582 in January 2019, which was not even a full month of operations. I don't think that number tells us much, other than that it was (a) free and (b) new.
Interesting question about the effect on TRE traffic. In January 2019, TRE total ridership dropped 7.69% from the previous year.
TNWE wrote:Tucy wrote:
98,582 in January 2019, which was not even a full month of operations. I don't think that number tells us much, other than that it was (a) free and (b) new.
Interesting question about the effect on TRE traffic. In January 2019, TRE total ridership dropped 7.69% from the previous year.
Thanks for that info - Not really surprising, I guess, given the whole "price elasticity of Demand" thing from freshman econ. I definitely rode it during the free period just because it was there, and I saw lots of other people who appeared to be doing the same. The perpetual optimist in me says improving paid ridership from ~30% of what they had during the free period to ~50% over the course of the year is a good sign...
I guess we'll be able
Tnexster wrote:Is it just me or were are numbers pathetic to begin with?
gosspl wrote:February 2019 ridership: 32,998
March 2019: 39,093
April 2019: 33,589
May 2019: 35,878
June 2019: 39,154
July 2019: 41,818
August 2019: 42,637
September 2019: 43,757
October 2019: 41,943
November 2019: 44,741 (1,491 per day; about 21 people per train)
December 2019: 51,217
January 2020: 43,795
February 2020: 40,276
March 2020: 28,476
April 2020: 10,478
May 2020: 14,067
June 2020: 14,145
July 2020: 15,064
August 2020: 17,391
gosspl wrote:February 2019 ridership: 32,998
March 2019: 39,093
April 2019: 33,589
May 2019: 35,878
June 2019: 39,154
July 2019: 41,818
August 2019: 42,637
September 2019: 43,757
October 2019: 41,943
November 2019: 44,741 (1,491 per day; about 21 people per train)
December 2019: 51,217
January 2020: 43,795
February 2020: 40,276
March 2020: 28,476
April 2020: 10,478
May 2020: 14,067
June 2020: 14,145
July 2020: 15,064
August 2020: 17,391
Parker Road wrote:gosspl wrote:February 2019 ridership: 32,998
March 2019: 39,093
April 2019: 33,589
May 2019: 35,878
June 2019: 39,154
July 2019: 41,818
August 2019: 42,637
September 2019: 43,757
October 2019: 41,943
November 2019: 44,741 (1,491 per day; about 21 people per train)
December 2019: 51,217
January 2020: 43,795
February 2020: 40,276
March 2020: 28,476
April 2020: 10,478
May 2020: 14,067
June 2020: 14,145
July 2020: 15,064
August 2020: 17,391
Do you know where I could find a more detailed ridership report? I'm interested in seeing the performance by station. I expect FW Central and Grapevine to get the most traffic by a comfortable margin.
As for the poor numbers as a whole, the issue is that downtown Fort Worth just isn't that big of a job/residential center even in the Metroplex context. It's a shame because the service on Texrail is quite good and the train itself is excellent by US standards.
Parker Road wrote:Do you know where I could find a more detailed ridership report? I'm interested in seeing the performance by station. I expect FW Central and Grapevine to get the most traffic by a comfortable margin.
As for the poor numbers as a whole, the issue is that downtown Fort Worth just isn't that big of a job/residential center even in the Metroplex context. It's a shame because the service on Texrail is quite good and the train itself is excellent by US standards.
Austin55 wrote:Parker Road wrote:Do you know where I could find a more detailed ridership report? I'm interested in seeing the performance by station. I expect FW Central and Grapevine to get the most traffic by a comfortable margin.
As for the poor numbers as a whole, the issue is that downtown Fort Worth just isn't that big of a job/residential center even in the Metroplex context. It's a shame because the service on Texrail is quite good and the train itself is excellent by US standards.
Slide 30 here -> https://ridetrinitymetro.org/wp-content ... EVISED.pdf
The airport station is typically the busiest on weekdays, followed by FW Central, T&P, Grapevine and Smithfield. Weekends see a pickup at the Grapevine station.
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