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Everyone remember to vote for the new liquor allowance law in May.

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Here's a story about the closing of Top Round... Apparently TMF was caught off-guard, although within 1 day they had already out leasing signs up in the window. http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/restaurants-bars/03-06-19-top-round-beef-toyota-music-factory-closed-california/ They're relocating to 4...

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Went to Green Gator last night in the Music Factory. Extremely busy. I assume because of Fat Tuesday. It was shoulder to shoulder people at the bar sometimes 2 to 3 deep and every table was taken. They had a live DJ and more people than they could serve. There was no show that night in the Pavilion...

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Went to see a movie at Alamo last night... Green Gator was open when we left at 9, had about 4 people inside. Julio Iglesius was in concert from roughly 8 to 10:30PM at the Music Factory on Saturday February 23rd. During the time of a show most of the tenants at the music factory are dead. That nig...

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So is there any cure for the "bad location" restaurant spots? Or is any restaurant that locates in one of them certain to end up like Top Round? I'm guessing the problem is that those spots are on another side or not very visible compared to the others? At least the whole place isn't a bu...

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Not surprising... it's not the first and won't be the last. With so many open spaces, it won't be long before there is more vacant than occupied.

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Went to see a movie at Alamo last night... Green Gator was open when we left at 9, had about 4 people inside.

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muncien wrote:Fun Fact: Embassy suites originally proposed a hotel on this site back in the 90's. If I'm not mistaken, they have owned the land ever since.

Yep that's correct.

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Lupe's Tortilla is next to Walk On's. Mexican Sugar will be next to Whiskey Cake.

Jam + Toast is outstanding.

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Went to see the early showing of Lego movie 2 on Saturday. Work was being done at both the Green Gator and the other restaurant pad in the plaza. Things were more busy than normal when the movie got out, I supposed because of the Toni Braxton concert. Alamo, was as always, great.

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The restaurant has been empty. Excited to try it soon though.

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We're there again tonight to see Aquaman. Like last night valet has given up business and the whole area is basically deserted, again. I will say there are 8 people in the Alamo bar which is a record for what we've seen.

Theater is about 20% full.

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Yeah, steak shack won't last with a 5 guys and McDonald's so close. I've been surprised In and Out has survived given how terrible it is. Dick's is closing many stores, as they stopped selling firearms according to their latest earning's release. https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/12/13/dicks-spor...

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Went to Shake Shack on Monday... Place is nice! Actually not too much seating on the inside which sort of surprised me. Staff was super friendly, food was tasty, although a tad bit pricey (I already knew this though as I had been to the one in Uptown several times). I paid $15 for burger, fries and...

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Been in the Music Factory several times lately for Saturday night movies... Both Alamo and surrounding area has been dead as a door knob...

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Here's a little blurb about Shake Shack in Las Colinas. Has a photo too in case you haven't been by the site recently. https://escapehatchdallas.com/2018/11/las-colinas-is-getting-a-shake-shack-very-soon/ Nice to have it, but the one in Plano was disappointing. Not as terrible as in-and-out, but no...

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I think there was a PF Changs listed as well... could be wrong.

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Another tenant signed for the Music Factory... The Green Gator- a Cajun themed Sports Bar from Frisco. https://dallas.eater.com/2018/10/25/18022960/green-gator-cajun-food-toyota-music-factory-irving I like this move... at least it's not another Yardhouse/Thirst Lion copycat. Haven't seen any other ...

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Sadly they dumped sixty vine

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Mexican Sugar will be right next to Whiskey Cake in addition to Lupe's and Walk-Ons.

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Was iPic possibly originally going into that dev or am I thinking of something else?

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Until then, the LC Urban Center will likely remain a place for young couples without families, and possibly empty nesters. But there's really nothing wrong with that. Other than, the population demographics in the area cannot support such growth in entertainment as seen in areas such as Frisco... I...

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Las Colinas needs a good museum. I would argue it needs a better public school district first, instead of CFB. I am a product of the CFB school system - compared to the alternative of Irving ISD, I do not know what your complaint is. I grew up in the Hackberry area and had friends living less than ...

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tamtagon wrote:Las Colinas needs a good museum.

I would argue it needs a better public school district first, instead of CFB.

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That is definitely concerning... Both of those are pretty low rent run establishments. They may do something more upscale, but apparently there wasn't a long list of top tier interest to chose from.

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ignition wrote:Y'all know Thirsty Lion takes reservations via Open Table, right? No wait...

Yep, but they were booked.

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Haha... we ate at Thirsty Lion too! Waited about 45 minutes... it was packed.

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We attended the Erasure concert Friday night and, like most of our other experiences (4 trips to Alamo + 4-5 trips for dinner at other places), we had a great time. We valet very time just in front of the TCBY and that's always worked well, yeah $10-$20 but easy in and out where we want to go. Durin...

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Hopefully a hotel will do better than those doomed restaurants... just a terrible location.

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It's in the whole foods parking lot. Also Market Street filed permits for the Shops at Las Colinas.

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Pretty stoked about Gingerman coming to town. That'll be a very frequent stop for me, no doubt. I'd still like to see another hotel come in as part of phase 2. I remember way back in the day, it was supposed to include a Hotel ZaZa. Are we talking about Cypress Waters? That whole development in my ...

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Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Cypress Waters might as well be Coppell.

Or Irving, but it is actually Dallas.

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Thinking about Cypress Waters and all the success Billingsley is having, why don't we give her the old Texas Stadium site? I mean at this point something along the lines of Cypress Water is probably the best we could hope for at that site. And honestly, I'm pretty impressed with what she's done out...

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Nokia moved to Dallas (Cypress Waters) due to a large tax break.

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Pacific Table looks good... Irving's nationally unique diversity does however mean that what works in other areas (Southlake, Frisco/Plano) won't necessarily work here. One of the things that makes Irving unique is its highly diverse population, however that doesn't mean that what works in other are...

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It isn't about population... It's about what the population does for entertainment.

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Expected traffic to the venues is about 45% below plan for this period of development.

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They're not going to be able to lease those spaces anytime soon. It will be the better part of 6 months to 12 months before we see anything replace them.

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It's not the population but the desires and behaviors of said population.

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Is it too much all at once? It's possible that there is not a sufficient population that fits the demographic to support this many places. It may take time, or it may never... the market will decide and the area will be leased in a way that fits the market demand. That could be what they're aiming ...

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If the demand exists, they'll fill them quickly once legally able to do so. If it doesn't, they'll sit.

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Demographics, demographics, demographics.

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They yanked the post off facebook, but it's not a total surprise... Billy Bob's hasn't been too successful anywhere other than their original location in FW, and the parking and low demand of the music factory area just can't support a place like that. Sad, but inevitable, Texas Jam House, Bar Manza...

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They were lucky to get Whole Foods... WF almost completely backed out. WF has been concerned with the ability to make the store profitable, but their influx from the Amazon purchase allowed them to proceed.

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Had a great meal at Texas Jam House last night. Place was fairly busy for 5pm.

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You have a very different population make up, both behaviorally and income-wise in the Frisco/Plano area.

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Yep. It's always about demographics, and the area doesn't support it any more than Victory Plaza did in Dallas.

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We visited El Famoso this weekend as well, and it's absolutely awful. They won't make it 6 months with the rent they have and the terrible food quality.

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Walk On's broke ground on Regent by Pinstack and Whiskey Cake yesterday.

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Walk On's and Pinstack in far west Irving are what folks are looking for.

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