Dallas Fort Worth Urban Forum

jeffbrown2002

Most of you are probably too young to remember this, but around 1981 Dallas Transit System drivers held a wildcat strike for higher wages. They claimed that gridlock would bring the city to its knees. The reality: Nobody noticed. Traffic was unaffected. Confronted with their failure the drivers ret...

jeffbrown2002

Found this little gem within the meeting presentations on the DART website, specifically the "2045 Transit System Plan" planningitem3_12nov19_Page_13.png This is the first time I've seen conceptual renderings of the elusive Knox/Henderson Station. Hopefully they seriously consider and ulti...

jeffbrown2002

So it looks like the Cotton Belt will be getting a color designation after all to better align it with DART's other rail services. Apparently it's going to be called the "Silver Line" complete with special branding and custom logo. Seems like a good compromise between having a completely d...

jeffbrown2002

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly are the advantages of heavy rail over light rail? I'm trying to remember how the PR campaign 'illuminated' the light rail advantages back in the day, but that dose of advertising slips my mind. Something along the lines of quieter, more reliable and zippier sta...

jeffbrown2002

Welcome to DFW Urbanist logic - every bad thing that happens is the result of not throwing enough money at whatever hodgepodge of policy proposals they personally support :roll: :roll: Setting aside the ridiculousness of a random power outage as a compelling reason to spend $1.2 billion on a subway...

jeffbrown2002

And I would say you need to learn the difference between theoretical and actual. That one mile highway handles as many people each day as the entire DART system -- trains and busses. And at about 1% of the operating cost. Well ya got me there, we should built eight-lane highways all over the Metrop...

jeffbrown2002

I think the anti-transit anti-urban anti-quality of life people here on this thread take for granted that Dallas will always be booming with jobs and prosperity. That's not a given. If people don't want to live here, the jobs will follow them wherever they move. People used to move in hordes to Det...

jeffbrown2002

I have looked at DART's proposed operating plan, and both those options are highly unlikely to ever happen. The North Central section is consistently the busiest part of the system, and removing Orange line trains from that section would reduce frequency and increase crowding on the Red line. If th...

jeffbrown2002

If your statement is only factual under conditions which rarely occur in Dallas, it's not a fact- it's a pipe dream. Sure, if we had the Dallas Sheriff compel all the people in a given neighborhood to rearrange their lives so they all took the bus to work instead of individual cars, our transit sys...

jeffbrown2002

Welcome to DFW Urbanist logic - every bad thing that happens is the result of not throwing enough money at whatever hodgepodge of policy proposals they personally support :roll: :roll: Setting aside the ridiculousness of a random power outage as a compelling reason to spend $1.2 billion on a subway...

jeffbrown2002

I'm not understanding why the Green line trains were affected in the current system. There apparently was no power outage affecting downtown... what am I missing? Currently all four lines go through the same stretch of track downtown, so it creates a bottleneck. Blue, Red, and Orange Line trains co...

jeffbrown2002

I am glad to hear that there was another issue. I was on the Green line train downtown and we had no idea why the delay but it seemed strange that the train would stop and sit in between each station until we past PEARL when we went back to normal speed to Fair Park Station. My point was that as Da...

jeffbrown2002

Leaving aside the fact that state fair ridership is not a valid metric to base billion-dollar decicions on, the delays were the result of full Green Line trains getting fuller as they picked up riders at Victory (TRE), West End (Red & Blue lines from the south) and Pearl (Red, Blue, Orange from...

jeffbrown2002

^ And if someone said we needed to spend $1.2 billion dollars to widen I-345 for the extra State Fair Traffic three weekends a year you would say? I would say spending that money on a rail corridor is 1.2 billion times more efficient than spending it on single occupant car lanes. The Case for Mass ...

jeffbrown2002

Not to mention no included provision for an APT station, which really should be a requirement for any new development going up along the guideway already in place.

jeffbrown2002

DART knew the FTA wouldn't approve the Green Line with a tunnel under Love Field, yet proposed a one of a kind out of the box solution which the FTA refused. It's disingenuous to suggest DART doesn't design it's light rail lines to meet all FTA half-baked formulas including one measuring "cost...

jeffbrown2002

16 years is long time to hold a grudge. The Green Line FEIS was approved late 2003, not long after the Federal government blew it’s budget following 9-11-2001. Whereas locally the Green Line was rated at a higher priority, what was happening in the Middle East had a higher priority nationally. Mayb...

jeffbrown2002

DART studied tunneling under Love Field to get to its terminal and place a station there., but during the EIS process it was nixed for some logical reasons by the FTA. When a project is partially funded by the Federal government, you are allowing it to dictate how a project proceeds. DART is studyi...

jeffbrown2002

Maybe I didn't make it clear, this wouldn't be a separate line. It would just be an extension, an addition, to the orange line and a new station on the orange line. That way Love Field would be directly connected to the DART rail system instead of making people take a bus, streetcar, or long people...

jeffbrown2002

Will this actually be called the Cotton Belt line or will it be given a color based name as other DART lines. DART has consistently displayed it as a dotted purple line on their recent expansion maps so that might be a hint. Interestingly Washington D.C. is also building an east-west rail line acro...

jeffbrown2002

The majority of passengers using Love field would not use DART even if there was a subway station in the basement of the terminal. The Love Link bus isn't the hurdle -they are timed such that there's pretty much always one there to meet arriving trains - it's getting airport users from where they l...

jeffbrown2002

^ So you want to spend a billion dollars to add redundancy for the few hours a year the line is blocked? So would you support converting Greenville Avenue into an 8 lane freeway for when NCX is blocked? The comparison is fundamentally unsound. You're attempting to compare a rail line that potential...

jeffbrown2002

D2 is absolutely needed regardless of whether it adds more ridership, simply because it creates the necessary redundancy downtown. This has likely been mentioned before, but the current transit mall setup (having all four rail lines along one path and countless bus routes intersecting those rail lin...

jeffbrown2002

It's important to acknowledge that DCTA, DART, and FWTA are three different transit agencies collecting taxes from entirely different cities, and that each has tax paying citizens who wish to see transit services provided to them locally. They do not wish to see taexs from Denton County spent in Da...

jeffbrown2002

Tangential question, but, are there plans to extend DCTA into a single train into downtown Dallas? Or, will a transfer to LRT always be required? That would certainly be a nice harken back to the DCTA Commuter Express Bus that once served Downtown Dallas directly. I'm not aware of any plans, and un...

jeffbrown2002

Thanks for the tip. I hope they make the monorail go out to music factory. That would help a lot for those on the other side of the lake. Supposedly there are plans to do just that: APT Expansion Slide 1.png APT Expansion Slide 2.png It's anyone's guess as to whether those plans come to fruition or...

jeffbrown2002

I'd be curious to know what stations were not built on the other DART lines that were included in the applicable EIS, and that were not discussed in such EIS as future or potential stations. To my knowledge, there are 6: -Carpenter Ranch: deferred at the last minute, now planned for construction fo...

jeffbrown2002

The population center needs both. Before Cotton Belt can live up to potential, the population center has to first acknowledge then embrace the benefit. It'll get started only an easy way to get to the airport for North Dallas and South Collin folks, eventually acceptance of high density nodes will ...

jeffbrown2002

Note for those attending an event or dining/drinking at the Music Factory: I have it on good authority that if you want an Uber/Lyft ride, you have to walk all the way around to the 114 service road side. Security is not allowing pickups by the restaurants/bars at all. I can see this working for ev...

jeffbrown2002

This is a great question as different stations offer passengers different amenities. As mentioned earlier, stations with the sort of configuration in the photo are rail stations with transit centers literally built into the framework of the station. They feature restrooms, vending machines, and a st...

jeffbrown2002

Any word on if or how the Las Colinas APT people mover will reach the new Music Factory development? I've seen everything from plans to extend the guideway to the median of Las Colinas Boulevard with an adjacent station, to a stop (awkwardly placed) just behind the main stage, to no access at all.

jeffbrown2002

I suppose they will look at several alignments, and estimate the projected costs for each. Then a final alignment will be chosen with at least a projected price attached. Eventually, they will choose the alignment that gives the most bang for the buck - not necessarily the cheapest to build. Exactl...

jeffbrown2002

I wonder if they'll revisit the alternatives they've researched that are already mostly underground, mainly B4 under Commerce and C3A under Union and City Hall.

jeffbrown2002

I never thought of that, but that would certainly be a shame to see the current plan affected. I really, really hope the subway doesn't get nixed somehow. I'd honestly be surprised if it isn't affected, I think that was even one of DART's stated reasons for pushing for a D2 alignment approval so qu...

jeffbrown2002

I keep hearing one of biggest reasons the Cotton Belt line is so gosh darn important to build is to keep Addison in DART who has been paying into the system since 1983 and because they're the only member city that still doesn't have rail service and that they 'just deserve it already.' Well guess wh...

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