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Alex Rodriguez

Good points. If you go back to the Pages 1-2 of this thread I get into a serious back and forth about the specifics of CityMap. As you say, there are a bunch of presumptions in there to make this work, including Trinity Parkway, rebuilding the entire grid from the end of 45 all the way through Ceasa...

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Yes thats the area. Heading Southbound on Woodall Rogers after you go under the KWP deck, if you want to to Southbound, to any of I-35E, I-30, or I-45, you pass over I-35 and take the cloverleaf ramp to get on SB I-35E. Once you remove I-345, that will be your only freeway option heading South on Ce...

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Im not afraid of removal. Its a fact, without i-345 your freeway option southbound is a single cloverleaf ramp at I-35 and WR. Thats it. TxDOT would basically be derelict to tear down, with the rest of the freeway system in its current configuration.

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My heartburn about removal comes from the fact that freeway traffic southbound on 75 would be restricted to a one lane cloverleaf ramp at Woodall and 35. That would need to be rebuilt, along with the Canyon.

Trenching is easily the better option

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https://www.dart.org/news/news.asp?ID=1405 "At DFW Airport, the project will connect to the TEXRail Regional Rail Line to Fort Worth and provide access to the DFW Airport Skylink. The Silver Line will interface with three DART light rail lines: The Red/Orange Lines in Richardson/Plano, the Gree...

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D cost $1.2 Billion 15 years ago. Its probably the scale of the thing, D is massive and F will be equally as massive. 24 gates is surprisingly low, maybe its going to be primarily built out to handle 789, 773, big widebodies?

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From Page 1 and 21 months ago. Called it, and nailed the cost to the dollar. $3 Billion :-) Just saying! I think AA is looking for some deal with DFW for Terminal F and/or Terminal C. The airport just spent over a billion dollars renovating A, B, and E. The logistics required to bulldoze all 5 termi...

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cowboyeagle05 wrote:Highland Park Village station, now that would be hell freezing over. I imagine when the train passed underneath the voiceover would switch to a British butler and that riders would need to pass a background check to be allowed to get off the train.

Hilarious

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I think the major reason for the YOY decline on the A-Train is the completion of I-35E construction. Traffic flows better than it ever has so a good chunk of people who rode the train switched back to their car. I do agree that extending it down to Belt Line is a way to increase ridership, making it...

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If I had to guess its the Dallas Police Department Love Field offices, and some other Love Field operational type offices, TSA Offices. Between 2009-2015 those were in the old East Concourse / Remainder of Braniff Terminal of the Future. Before that, the DPD was in a little office space in the North...

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Yes the building has for sure topped out. They used to have a tower cam, but I can't find it anymore. It's been topped out for a couple of months.

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As for a burial or below-grade option, a burial is just way too expensive, which is why TxDOT isn't even considering it. If the options were between a burial and the status quo, I would pick status quo, unfortunately, as the costs pretty clearly exceed the benefits in my opinion. What do you (and A...

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I've said it one hundred times. I am not opposed to tearing down I-345 it just needs to be done right. Replace as much of the capacity as you can by upgrading the rest of the system. I'm surprised that people who advocate tear down are blind to what removing a 6-8 lane U.S. Interstate right in the m...

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Ok, well if it's not in the Lowest Stemmons project, then it's not included. The resulting congestion numbers therefore include leaving that configuration as is. You don't "have to" do it with an I-345 teardown, as you're claiming. Maybe you think it would be a good idea to do it, and it ...

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Has any of the studying told us who actually uses I-345? Surely we know how the trips sort out.... and really how many of those trips were supposed to redirect to any part of I-635? All the highways lead to downtown because that's the history of the roads, traffic using any combination of I35, I30/...

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I'll make another bad analogy since I started it. City: "Sir, the cost to remove the street that runs along the front of your house and your driveway is $500,000." Me: "Okay, well that's great, but how much is it going to cost to build me an alternate route to my house." City: &q...

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Canyon and Stemmons projects are getting built regardless of what's done with I-345. It makes no sense to include them as part of the I-345 project cost. All of the stuff that you mentioned that directly interacts with I-345 is included in the I-345 project cost. They didn't break out the cost of e...

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http://www.crosstimbersgazette.com/2018 ... th-or-two/

Once this parking garage is finally done, the Restaurant Row will come out of the ground. Will be nice when it's not just a large apartment and townhome complex with a river running through it.

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Well let's see what the estimates are for redoing each component/option that will be required to replace part of the capacity. I lined them out in the previous post. For instance, if a plan/option doesn't include the cost of redoing Woodall and Stemmons, so that all of Central Expressway isn't reduc...

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Any study that doesn't line out how much it would take to construct new access to replace the loss of the I-345 isn't worth a flip. If you take out I-345, the only way from Central to I-45 going south would be to go Woodall Rogers, and take the 1 lane cloverleaf ramp onto Stemmons. The Horseshoe was...

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Yes already a thread. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=404

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I calculated .3 and .5 miles from the platform to Convention Center and Cedar Stations, respectively. Used Google maps. Rough estimate to be sure but thats about a 6 min and 10 min walk. Not terrible but not exactly great either. Will have to be good enough I guess.

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So they would demolish the existing building and the skybridge and build this. Interesting. Thats a really tiny triangle shaped piece of property. Small floor plates would be an understatement. Also, they don't show the skybridge in the rendering, but I'm wondering who owns it. It's integrated into ...

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The justification for the entire Light Rail system has never been low cost per rider, so I don't get the point. If DART can build both, build both. Why wouldn't you expand your rail system if you have an opportunity? Plus I've already mentioned the political implications of refusing to build a part ...

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And by the way you did agree at one point with me about the differences in the scenarios... And by the way, I'm not saying that anyone is trying to pull a fast one. What I'm saying is that for each option to have basically the same traffic impact, per the report: **Modify - you remove some ramps for...

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TxDOT and HNTB/Kimley-Horn's traffic engineers, for instance, found a limited overall increase in congestion, if you rebuild the entire Dallas freeway system around it, compared to sinking it below grade and doing virtually nothing else, in their preliminary study"

Fixed it for you.

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TxDOT and HNTB/Kimley-Horn's traffic engineers, for instance, found a limited overall increase in congestion compared to sinking it below grade in their preliminary study. This is the statement we went round and round for 2 pages about. I completely disagree with this statement. Its apples to orang...

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Last thing and I'll lay off...also remember that in 2017, Southwest retired 100 or so jets with 122 and 137 seats, a large percentage of those 733s and 735s were flying routes out of DAL. Now there is nothing but 143 and 175 seat jets flying out of Love, and the 175 seat fleet is the only type that ...

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A somewhat similar example to Love Field would be Chicago Midway (coincidentally another fortress hub for SWA). Very dense area using less surface area with only Cicero Ave being the main way in and out of the airport. Hell it's so tightly packed the TSA checkpoint is on a bridge over the 6 lane ro...

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The whole eastern edge of the airport, flanking Lemmon Ave needs a complete redo. Access the terminal via underground moving sidewalk from the Flight Museum and from whatever that renovation project Lemmon@Lovers... This is where parking, office, hotel, restaurants and much of the aerotropolis stuf...

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The airport used to have over 70 gates. It property certainly handle more than 20. Sure it had 70 gates, but number of passengers in and out of the airport was nowhere near what it is today " 1973 saw Love Field, which had more than 70 gates and saw frequent Boeing 747 service, reach record en...

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1. Virgin was acquired by Alaska, and Alaska and has already begun the process of converting the schedule over to Alaska jets and destinations. The two airlines will be under one operating certificate in a few months and Virgin will cease to exist shortly thereafter. 2. I think the City is actively ...

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Literally no one thinks that should should tear down I-345 without studying its impact on the rest of the transportation system. This is false. There are a ton of people advocating this. Maybe not your group, but the old 50 page thread I'd say nearly half of them advocated "lets close the road...

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https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2017/11/dallas-council-345-vote-delayed-txdot-citymap/ "The Dallas City Council will not vote as planned today on whether to study the economic impact of tearing out I-345, the 1.4-mile elevated highway that separates downtown from Deep Ellum. Assistant Cit...

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Ouch. Having ridden the Green Line every day for 6 years, cant say I disagree that this is a problem because it is. Vagrants on the train, West End station is shall we say "salty." So many opportunities to improve operations but as Ive said for years, DART sucks at running a business... ht...

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Not sure how UT, A&M, Tech, Baylor, UH, Rice, OU, OSU, Ark all being within 5 hour drive, and DFW being both a huge feeder and huge alumni base for those universities doesn't count for something. The Entirety of the Southwest Conference, basically a Power Five Conference, was within a 5 hour dri...

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Against (For Trench/Tunnel)

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tanzoak wrote:I'm a transportation engineer.

Well I'm not a transportation engineer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.

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And don't get me wrong, I've spent the better part of 2 full days reading CityMap, it is super interesting stuff. Just don't think it gets you across the finish line to make a tear-down/trench decision. I'm a road geek obviously, so giving me 450 pages of road geekiness is 100% great with me.

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If you want some good arguments against this study, I'll give them to you: 1. "The I-30 and Lowest Stemmons projects are way more important to a well-functioning system in a tear-down world than a below-grade one. Furthermore, I don't think those two projects are likely to be built, which mean...

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I get that you're trying to be conciliatory, but the "good, honest, hard number for each of the components" line implies that what they've provided is crappy, dishonest, squishy, and does not isolate individual projects. No I'm not implying dishonest. I'm implying unclear, confusing, not ...

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Sorry for being Snarky back. I think we've played out the CityMap analysis. The city and TxDot are already moving forward with an I-345 specific study, will be interesting to see which way it goes. All to summarize my opinion, Citymap facts and figures (or lack thereof, wherever you land) nonwithsta...

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Yes, the "scenario" includes i-30 rebuild, us-175 (southern gateway), and lowest stemmons. As does the scenario for below-grade. No it doesn't. Sorry man, but CityMap isn't gospel anyway, so quit citing it as if Jesus himself came down from on high to give us the 10 Citymaps and its all g...

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"If we do a bad job with the project, what will the congestion be?" is not a good question. "What if we did the below-grade alternative, but didn't actually connect it to anything? What is the congestion number?" lol Both my options say to reconnect the arterials above. Below gr...

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... they basically do all of this? Except they include 2.1, 2.2, 2.5, and 2.6 as part of tear-down. 2.1, 2.2, and 2.6 are inherent to the tear-down project. I think you could separate 2.5, sure, though just note that that would reduce the cost estimate of the project itself. No they don't. Page 191...

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Tear Down Option - Jersey ramp I-45 North to funnel to I-30 offramps. Jersey ramp US75 to funnel to SH366. Jersey Ramp US366 to funnel to US75. Safely tear down I-345. Reconnect necessary arterial roads in former footprint of I-345 This is all you have to actually do to tear down I-345. What is the...

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This would be ARODMAP - Options for I-345 . This is how it should break down. 1. Option 1 - Tear Down - Jersey ramp I-45 North to funnel to I-30 offramps. Jersey ramp US75 to funnel to SH366. Jersey Ramp US366 to funnel to US75. Safely tear down I-345. Reconnect necessary arterial roads in former fo...

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tamtagon wrote:I am enjoying this discussion, thought not reading as thoroughly as I would like. Thanks for the microscopic attention you guys are giving!

LOL! We are getting pretty daggone Microscopic!!!

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You asked if CityMAP included that portion of Woodall Rogers in its study area.. it does. I wasn't saying it is part of I-30 tear-down. Buuuut, traffic impacts on that portion of WR are included in the congestion figures. That's how study areas and traffic studies work. They may not have gone into ...

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Lol yes, obviously the lists of things you do in each project are different because you have to do different things to trench a highway than you do to replace it with a boulevard. Look, this CityMap study is cool, its very interesting. But its not the Bible. You don't HAVE to do Project Pegasus to ...

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